2018 breakout 114 problems
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There is no truth to your statement. If Harley or its dealers have any knowledge that a non-compliant tuner was used, they are required by the federal courts to void the powertrain warranty. There are no exceptions.
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I'll be interested to see how this plays out. But if people were willing to put their thoughts to the test, then they would be telling the OP to get that bike in completely altered and to let the chips fall where they may. Yet most here are suggesting he try to mask the alterations and lie about his own choices. Stand up people when money's concerned.
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From the facts.
The powertrain warranty is most definitely voided. The fuel pump is not part of the powertrain, apparently. But just try getting some engine work done, and you will get a very nasty surprise. Well, it shouldn't be a surprise, since we've all told you now.
And if you need more, just ask Psyshack -- IINM, his powertrain warranty was voided for having an FP3 installed.
On that we certainly agree.
I have all that **** on my bike and haven't had my warranty voided. I'll post in here in the next couple days a $0 receipt for when I get my bike back with the fuel pump issue fixed.
And if you need more, just ask Psyshack -- IINM, his powertrain warranty was voided for having an FP3 installed.
Spreading dumb made up misinformation is stupid.
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I could be mistaken, but I believe the settlement stated that they *may* void the warranty. I don't think it mandated that HD void the warranties of anyone who made those modifications. It just improved HD's ability to make that happen.
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14.Denial of Warranty
a .Defendants shall deny all warranty claims for functional defects of powertrain components for any Harley-Davidson vehicle (Model Year 2017 or later) registered in the United States, if any Defendants have any information to show that such vehicle was tuned using a Tuning Product that was not covered by a California ARB Executive Order or otherwise approved by EPA.
b. Defendants shall instruct Harley-Davidson dealers to deny such warranty claims where any Defendant or any Harley-Davidson dealer has any such information.
a .Defendants shall deny all warranty claims for functional defects of powertrain components for any Harley-Davidson vehicle (Model Year 2017 or later) registered in the United States, if any Defendants have any information to show that such vehicle was tuned using a Tuning Product that was not covered by a California ARB Executive Order or otherwise approved by EPA.
b. Defendants shall instruct Harley-Davidson dealers to deny such warranty claims where any Defendant or any Harley-Davidson dealer has any such information.
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No, there's no "may" about it. They absolutely do mandate that Harley must void the warranty if a non-compliant tuner is used. Here's the exact quote:
There's no wiggle room. Use a tuner, lose your warranty, no ifs, ands, or buts. If the dealer knows you have used a tuner, they are obligated to inform Harley, and Harley is mandated to void the powertrain warranty in that scenario.
There's no wiggle room. Use a tuner, lose your warranty, no ifs, ands, or buts. If the dealer knows you have used a tuner, they are obligated to inform Harley, and Harley is mandated to void the powertrain warranty in that scenario.
But there is some grey area in the use of the word "shall" and it's actual meaning. Many courts are recognizing it as being more permissive than mandatory and are recommending "must" in it's place (SCOTUS for one). So while by all intents are on it being mandatory, someone could argue that their choice of words are permissive in nature more than forcing this.
Something to consider:
https://www.faa.gov/about/initiative...les/mandatory/
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Oh yeah! I forgot about that and thought the operative term was "may".
But there is some grey area in the use of the word "shall" and it's actual meaning. Many courts are recognizing it as being more permissive than mandatory and are recommending "must" in it's place (SCOTUS for one). So while by all intents are on it being mandatory, someone could argue that their choice of words are permissive in nature more than forcing this.
Something to consider:
https://www.faa.gov/about/initiative...les/mandatory/
But there is some grey area in the use of the word "shall" and it's actual meaning. Many courts are recognizing it as being more permissive than mandatory and are recommending "must" in it's place (SCOTUS for one). So while by all intents are on it being mandatory, someone could argue that their choice of words are permissive in nature more than forcing this.
Something to consider:
https://www.faa.gov/about/initiative...les/mandatory/
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Wonder if it applies to the 10 commandments? I seem to remember a lot of "shall" and "shall not" in there...
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But generally I agree with you.Depends on what the direct translation from the original text (hebrew?) shows. lol
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No, there's no "may" about it. They absolutely do mandate that Harley must void the warranty if a non-compliant tuner is used. Here's the exact quote:
There's no wiggle room. Use a tuner, lose your warranty, no ifs, ands, or buts. If the dealer knows you have used a tuner, they are obligated to inform Harley, and Harley is mandated to void the powertrain warranty in that scenario.
There's no wiggle room. Use a tuner, lose your warranty, no ifs, ands, or buts. If the dealer knows you have used a tuner, they are obligated to inform Harley, and Harley is mandated to void the powertrain warranty in that scenario.
I guess if people are worried about it or only live close to dealers who are douches about it, the best bet would be to wait 2 years before modding.