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I got them on the phone after an hour. He referred me back to the dealer. Guys this looks troublesome. The more I'm digging the more I don't like it. Now I'm under the impression that the day my current tsm goes out the bike is dead in the water because they no longer offer the domestic tsm/tssm and no one knows for sure if the international one will work. I'm legit baffled as to why harley would discontinue the part and not offer a replacement, even if its just a tsm version
I'm still on hold but I've been reading the manual while waiting and I think I have things figured out. I've looked at the wiring diagram which is rather simple and I see nothing that tells me the hdi model and domestic would be any different as far as that goes, otherwise they would list a separate pinout for the hdi model, which they don't. I'm fairly positive the only real difference is going to be the fact that the hdi model auto arms and this CANNOT be disabled, while the domestic is disabled by default but can be enabled. They list it as an international requirement. The other major difference is the frequency appears to be different which I'm assuming is why they offer an international fob. I'm fairly certain the hdi tssm will work on a domestic bike as long as you match the fobs and accept the fact that auto arming CANNOT be disabled, which I'm not crazy about. I just want confirmation because I could be totally wrong but everything I'm reading leads me to that conclusion.
I believe what you have posted above is correct... I didn't want to write it in this thread, because it is total second hand hearsay on my part.....
I believe your above rationale is sound....
I also see good assumptions in what Jackie Paper posted about them discontinuing the US model TSSM and keeping just the International model TSSM as a one size fits all.... If not that, why keep just the international model TSSM...??
I checked the the online parts finder and there is no separate part number for the international model's ICM... which suggests they both use the same one... That would further suggest to me that the only difference between the two is the TSSM module and corresponding FOB...
Furthermore, barneyboy believes it would work as long as you match the international module with an international FOB....... He's way smarter than I am, especially when it comes to electrical stuff..
IMHO...
Based on all that, if my bike was down due to the TSSM failing, I would gamble on purchasing and installing the international module with an international FOB...
I hate to admit it, but I have wasted about the same amount of money over the years on things like seats, shocks, and some mods that didn't work out...
If the swap works, (as I suspect) older Twin Cams would have a passive security system like the newer US models....
If not, I'd sell it on eBay trying to recover some of my money.... education is rarely free....
Good luck with your decision...
Last edited by hattitude; Mar 31, 2023 at 01:34 PM.
Furthermore, barneyboy believes it would work as long as you match the international module with an international FOB....... He's way smarter than I am, especially when it comes to electrical stuff..
Lol hatt, I wouldn't go that far! My opinion was based on HDI guys that successfully did the opposite of what the OP is wanting to do. They didn't care for the HDI auto arm configuration, so they installed the domestic version along with the domestic fob without any issues.
Lol hatt, I wouldn't go that far! My opinion was based on HDI guys that successfully did the opposite of what the OP is wanting to do. They didn't care for the HDI auto arm configuration, so they installed the domestic version along with the domestic fob without any issues.
I understand. The thought of not being able to disable it does irritate me. But Im of the opinion of what Jackie said, that they reduced inventory to one part thats allowed everywhere. Which now leads me to my next issue. I was just about to say wth and order it to try. Now ronnies is saying the international fob is discontinued but they can get the international tssm. 🤣🤣
What's $400? We need to know!!!!! . Could just break down and fix the 2002 part number to 2023.
IM has the answer. Lot simpler than Harley's since it's just breaking a wire whereas Harley's does the alarm, signals, and also monitors the signal bulbs. Only $280 plus $35 more for extra FOBs
Last edited by Jackie Paper; Mar 31, 2023 at 03:22 PM.
You have the choice indicated earlier and there is also a less expensive option of a passive starter kill.
About $40 USA dollars for relay kit and about $15 USA dollars for connectors and then add your labor.
You would need some minor skill or pay an alarm shop to do it.
No key fobs.
I understand. The thought of not being able to disable it does irritate me. But Im of the opinion of what Jackie said, that they reduced inventory to one part thats allowed everywhere. Which now leads me to my next issue. I was just about to say wth and order it to try. Now ronnies is saying the international fob is discontinued but they can get the international tssm. 🤣🤣
Why are you wasting your time with Ronnie's? You're in Texas, Ronnie's is in Massachusetts. Due to recent HD policy, dealers aren't allowed to ship parts outside of their immediate region.
Go to the link in post #21, select the part # and purchase options.
It will show not available for online purchase.
Select find at dealer. Enter your Zip code.
It will show the ten nearest dealers to your Zip code. If any show low stock, it's likely they have one in inventory. Make the call.
Why are you wasting your time with Ronnie's? You're in Texas, Ronnie's is in Massachusetts. Due to recent HD policy, dealers aren't allowed to ship parts outside of their immediate region.
Go to the link in post #21, select the part # and purchase options.
It will show not available for online purchase.
Select find at dealer. Enter your Zip code.
It will show the ten nearest dealers to your Zip code. If any show low stock, it's likely they have one in inventory. Make the call.
Someone told me about Ronnie's years ago and their parts have always been rather cheap compared to my local dealer. I'm about 60 miles from Republic but they are probably the closest. They are real nice people but unfortunately their prices are usually higher than the harley site. I Didn't know Ronnie's wasn't supposed to be shipping to me. I'll get with Republic
Someone told me about Ronnie's years ago and their parts have always been rather cheap compared to my local dealer. I'm about 60 miles from Republic but they are probably the closest. They are real nice people but unfortunately their prices are usually higher than the harley site. I Didn't know Ronnie's wasn't supposed to be shipping to me. I'll get with Republic
FWIW....
Several of the big online Harley Parts shops were "technically" in violation of their franchise agreements. No one seemed to care for many years.
Then about a year ago, the MoCo came down on them, enforcing the rules about who they could sell to... probably from complaints by dealers without a large online presence and no intention of discounting their prices to compete with the online dealers...
It really ruined a good thing..
I used to do a lot of business with Surdyke.com, and had an online account with them.. It saved me a lot of money over the years.... Even with shipping, they were always much cheaper than going to my local Dealers. Especially on big cost items...
I actually had an item on backorder with them when the change happened. I was getting updates on my back order, tried to place another order, and was sent a notice that they regret losing so many long time valued customers, but they could no longer ship parts to my address.
I still got my backordered item... but now I can log onto my account, try to put something in my cart. and it comes back something like "unable to ship to your address"...
It actually cost the MoCo money in my case, as I started looking for, and found, some good aftermarket vendors for parts I formerly only bought from Harley...
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. Could just break down and fix the 2002 part number to 2023. 
