Help with Tuner choice
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Help with Tuner choice
I have well over 1,000 miles on my 07 Night Train in the last month. I have notice some heat issues when in stop and go traffic on very hot days, but otherwise its been good.
I put Rush slip-ons with the 2" baffles on from the get. My plugs look on the white side of tan, but not too bad....
I have decided to get something, andI want to keep the stock AC.
I like the idea of the Thundermax with the autotune feature. I just don't hear to much about it here.... I also like the fact that if I change stuff in the future, that module with change with it.
I just don't hear a lot of people talking about it? Are there issues? Any help-ideas are appreciated!
I put Rush slip-ons with the 2" baffles on from the get. My plugs look on the white side of tan, but not too bad....
I have decided to get something, andI want to keep the stock AC.
I like the idea of the Thundermax with the autotune feature. I just don't hear to much about it here.... I also like the fact that if I change stuff in the future, that module with change with it.
I just don't hear a lot of people talking about it? Are there issues? Any help-ideas are appreciated!
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RE: Help with Tuner choice
Something not making sense here. You aren't going to gain benefit of a better running bike by keeping your stock a/c. You can keep your football on there, but underneath you should change to a high-flow air filter. (Arlen Ness Big Sucker, for example).
THEN you have something a tuner can do something with. You have to open up both the inhale and exhale for any tuner to have something to "tune" with. You'd be spending a lot of money for the TM without it being able to take advantage of making adjustments for you.
In other words, there really isn't any benefitgetting tostage-half. Stage 1, now that's a different story.
THEN you have something a tuner can do something with. You have to open up both the inhale and exhale for any tuner to have something to "tune" with. You'd be spending a lot of money for the TM without it being able to take advantage of making adjustments for you.
In other words, there really isn't any benefitgetting tostage-half. Stage 1, now that's a different story.
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I agree with what Poorboy said. As far as the Thundermax goes, I have one on order now for my '08 Softail Custom. I have no experience with it, but from what I've read about it, it's awesome. I can't wait to get it installed with my new pipes.
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I agree with you poorboy, I am not out right now to make the bike that much faster. What I want to do is make the Air/fuel ratio better to keep the bike cooler, and have the option down the road to open up the intake and retune to then make the bike more responsive.
I am saying this without looking at the prices of AC's.... So maybe its a little backwards... but i want to spend the money to get the bike running well the rest of the year, and in the summer next year change stuff a little more.
I am saying this without looking at the prices of AC's.... So maybe its a little backwards... but i want to spend the money to get the bike running well the rest of the year, and in the summer next year change stuff a little more.
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Going to a better AC isn't that expensive. I would definitely do that at the same time you do the tuner. You'll get better performance and it will cool the bike down more. The Screamin' Eagle Stage 1 kit is only $139.95. http://www.harley-davidson.com/gma/g...bmLocale=en_US There are many other options out there as well. When I put things on my bike, I try to put something on there I'm not wanting to change out later. I have a Wimmer air cleaner waiting to be put on my bike. It's more expensive, but it increases performance and looks better in my opinion.
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I understand. Your bike WILL run a lot cooler if it is allowed to breath better. Changing to all synthetic oils will also help a lot too.
No "tuner" can adjust your air/fuel ratio if you aren't going to give it more air to work with for its calculations. Your TM will not be able to richen the fuel mixture the way you think if you leave the stock a/c on there. The price of a new a/c setup is not that expensive compared to a new set of pipes and the tuner.
You are closer to "Wonderful" than you realize.
No "tuner" can adjust your air/fuel ratio if you aren't going to give it more air to work with for its calculations. Your TM will not be able to richen the fuel mixture the way you think if you leave the stock a/c on there. The price of a new a/c setup is not that expensive compared to a new set of pipes and the tuner.
You are closer to "Wonderful" than you realize.
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I went with a Nes Big Sucker (stock football cover still on it), Rush 1.75 and the TMax Autotuner. I can't say that the difference is night and day on the speed/power issue. The bike runs color, throttle response is much better and there seems to be some increase in power. It starts better, idles smoother. I don't think making it run richer without more air flow through the system is going to do mukch of anything except change you exhaust tone, but that will be the pipes. By the way you can pick up the Ness Big Sucker for $89 anyday of the week.
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Alright, so I will look into a new air cleaner.. The issue has been finding one I like with a black cover.... I just need to spend more time looking...
So the thundermax with autotune.... Good or kinda good? I don't like the idea of my dealership dynoing.... and if I cange anything, back on the dyno, at a cost of 300 bucks... But i want to get something that works well and does not have issues....
So the thundermax with autotune.... Good or kinda good? I don't like the idea of my dealership dynoing.... and if I cange anything, back on the dyno, at a cost of 300 bucks... But i want to get something that works well and does not have issues....
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RE: Help with Tuner choice
There are few guys running TMax w/Autotune around here and all of them seem to like it.
The only "problems" that seem to have come up is that you loose the 6th gear indicator and the distance to refuel function on the speedo (08 bikes only). Both of these are supposedly being addressed by Zippers and should be avalable as a download software fix as soon as they work the bugs out.
You don't "have" to put on a new SC if you don't want to, haven't found one you like,or can't afford it right now. You can reprogram the systems base map at any time after you get one and let the Autotune function do the fine tuning for you.
Even without a better breathing AC it should cool things down a little if for no other reason than it will automatically "fix" the lean factory setup. After that adding a new AC will not change things in the heat department, but will bump up your Torque and HP numbers a bit.
Also installing a Tmax does not eliminate the usefulness of a dyno tune if your looking for max HP and torque. But for most of us who are just looking for a nice ride and are not desperatly looking to getevery last ounce of power out of the engine, dyno tuning is probably a waste of and time, and money.
Ride safe, [sm=biker2.gif]
The only "problems" that seem to have come up is that you loose the 6th gear indicator and the distance to refuel function on the speedo (08 bikes only). Both of these are supposedly being addressed by Zippers and should be avalable as a download software fix as soon as they work the bugs out.
You don't "have" to put on a new SC if you don't want to, haven't found one you like,or can't afford it right now. You can reprogram the systems base map at any time after you get one and let the Autotune function do the fine tuning for you.
Even without a better breathing AC it should cool things down a little if for no other reason than it will automatically "fix" the lean factory setup. After that adding a new AC will not change things in the heat department, but will bump up your Torque and HP numbers a bit.
Also installing a Tmax does not eliminate the usefulness of a dyno tune if your looking for max HP and torque. But for most of us who are just looking for a nice ride and are not desperatly looking to getevery last ounce of power out of the engine, dyno tuning is probably a waste of and time, and money.
Ride safe, [sm=biker2.gif]
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RE: Help with Tuner choice
I want to correct something Citoriplus said. I haven't heard about the 6th gear indicator not working with the Thundermax on the '08s. I've only heard the Low Fuel light and the Distance To Empty features. But yes, they are working to correct those problems. I'm not sure if it's different for the '07 bikes or not, though.