What performance diff can I expect from going stock 96 to 103??
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RE: What performance diff can I expect from going stock 96 to 103??
ORIGINAL: brihvac
Price sounds good. Around here they want $1300 for the 103 kit, $500 for the SERT, and dyno is pricey.
BUT.....I have talked to a bunch of people (including a dealer)about the 103 kit and they told me I was going to be dissapointed. They said cams and head work would give me the most bang for my buck. I was looking for low end power and they said that with the 103 I wouldnt hardly notice it low end. They also said that even with the 103 you should have the heads worked. I wasnt going to spend that kind of money for a small improvement. This is what Iwas told anyway by a service manager of a very good H-D dealer. He is a family friend and has been working on H-D's for a LONG time. I trust his opinion. Especially since I was going to have it done at his dealership.
Price sounds good. Around here they want $1300 for the 103 kit, $500 for the SERT, and dyno is pricey.
BUT.....I have talked to a bunch of people (including a dealer)about the 103 kit and they told me I was going to be dissapointed. They said cams and head work would give me the most bang for my buck. I was looking for low end power and they said that with the 103 I wouldnt hardly notice it low end. They also said that even with the 103 you should have the heads worked. I wasnt going to spend that kind of money for a small improvement. This is what Iwas told anyway by a service manager of a very good H-D dealer. He is a family friend and has been working on H-D's for a LONG time. I trust his opinion. Especially since I was going to have it done at his dealership.
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RE: What performance diff can I expect from going stock 96 to 103??
ORIGINAL: grzly
did a recent comparison betwen my stock and a 103 conversion ( both bikes had breather , chip and pipes ) at the dealers. Whilst there is a "noticeable difference" it really is disappointing if you were expecting a quicker ride. The head mechanic strongly advises that if you are wanting performance head work is the way. ( alternatively get a rice burner ).
did a recent comparison betwen my stock and a 103 conversion ( both bikes had breather , chip and pipes ) at the dealers. Whilst there is a "noticeable difference" it really is disappointing if you were expecting a quicker ride. The head mechanic strongly advises that if you are wanting performance head work is the way. ( alternatively get a rice burner ).
I don't think just a 103 conversion with out doing the cams is worth it....
add the cams and it's a whole different ball game....
Also... if you're really going out there with the cams (beyond your typical "bolt in") THEN, that wouldn't be worth it without the headwork....JMO ...
for a streetable.... gettin' down the road machine... I feel the 103" with cams will serve the average rider well....
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RE: What performance diff can I expect from going stock 96 to 103??
ORIGINAL: NY_Rebel
grzly.... was that 103 with or without cams?
I don't think just a 103 conversion with out doing the cams is worth it....
add the cams and it's a whole different ball game....
Also... if you're really going out there with the cams (beyond your typical "bolt in") THEN, that wouldn't be worth it without the headwork....JMO ...
for a streetable.... gettin' down the road machine... I feel the 103" with cams will serve the average rider well....
ORIGINAL: grzly
did a recent comparison betwen my stock and a 103 conversion ( both bikes had breather , chip and pipes ) at the dealers. Whilst there is a "noticeable difference" it really is disappointing if you were expecting a quicker ride. The head mechanic strongly advises that if you are wanting performance head work is the way. ( alternatively get a rice burner ).
did a recent comparison betwen my stock and a 103 conversion ( both bikes had breather , chip and pipes ) at the dealers. Whilst there is a "noticeable difference" it really is disappointing if you were expecting a quicker ride. The head mechanic strongly advises that if you are wanting performance head work is the way. ( alternatively get a rice burner ).
I don't think just a 103 conversion with out doing the cams is worth it....
add the cams and it's a whole different ball game....
Also... if you're really going out there with the cams (beyond your typical "bolt in") THEN, that wouldn't be worth it without the headwork....JMO ...
for a streetable.... gettin' down the road machine... I feel the 103" with cams will serve the average rider well....
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RE: What performance diff can I expect from going stock 96 to 103??
I would do head work and cams. You can keep the 96" and do heads/cams and have more fun than a dealers 103" kit. I would stay away from your dealer for performance work. They just get parts and put them together. Alot to be concerned about on your 96" motor. Quench/squish, compression ratio to fit cams. Cams and heads working together. Then if you have the heads off why not go bigger, you can go up to 107" with just a bore/hone on jugs and pistons. You already have a stroker motor. Then if you go bigger wht not do a new cam plate to handle the upgrade. Your stock cam plate leaves alot to be desired. Then why not upgrade oil pump. Since your doing all this hell go ahead and split the cases and do a timken and send your crank off for some work. Then a new clutch or clutch spring to handle your new power.
Seriously, I sent an email for some info you can look over. If you have 3K to spend I would definately look around and read up before I made a decision. I have seen alot of people go to dealer and drive away unhappy. Call Hillside Cycles, R&R, Headquarters, King of cubes, etc and get their ideas. That is what these guys do, upgrade V-Twins.
Seriously, I sent an email for some info you can look over. If you have 3K to spend I would definately look around and read up before I made a decision. I have seen alot of people go to dealer and drive away unhappy. Call Hillside Cycles, R&R, Headquarters, King of cubes, etc and get their ideas. That is what these guys do, upgrade V-Twins.
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RE: What performance diff can I expect from going stock 96 to 103??
this past summer i put a 103 in my ride and i could not be happier. i am getting 95 HP and 103 TQ out of mine. when i did it i put on SE high comp. heads(10.5:1) about $1200.00 for the heads alone. i am sure that is i got them worked i would get a lot more power but i ran out of cash so i will have to do that at a later time. i allso went with a big cam,(woodson 650 gear)bigger then i think i really needed but sence i ride 2up all the time i was told i would not be happy with the 103 unless i did. and becouse of that i got good pickup and low rpm even 2up. and needless to say if it even funner when i ride by my self. i have a friend who has a 88 that is camed and has a fule pack. before i did the build he smoked me all the time. now after the build and with me riding 2up and him riding alone i cam pull away from him and needless to say he is not very happy about the hehe.
i allso but a bigger TB on as well stock was 40mm i put on a 50mm.
i allso but a bigger TB on as well stock was 40mm i put on a 50mm.
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RE: What performance diff can I expect from going stock 96 to 103??
I called the dealer back and he told me the price he gave me included the cams. So at this point it looks like I'll have $2,500 in all the work including the dyno time. Some of you guys seems really happy and some pretty disappointed. One of my other concerns is that I still have 4 years left on the warrenty and I'm trying to stay with HD stuff so I came keep the warrenty intact. I'm just unsure how much difference in performance I'll get over just doing the stage one work...is it going to be worth the extra $1,500.
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RE: What performance diff can I expect from going stock 96 to 103??
my dealer is going to install the SE 103" kit that comes with cams, i think its the stage II big bore is what its called. comes with everything except pipes for $1500-1600 i cant remember.
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RE: What performance diff can I expect from going stock 96 to 103??
does that include the SERT and dyno?
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RE: What performance diff can I expect from going stock 96 to 103??
if you look at my sig you will see what all i put in. and it cost me about 3500 + 700 labor and in my case that did not include pipes a/c or the sert but it did include the dyno though.
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RE: What performance diff can I expect from going stock 96 to 103??
and i forgot i did not bore out my old jugs i bought new ones becouse i did not want to bore them out. i just did not feel right abought. however i was told i could but still did not feel right about it. plus i wanted to get the jugs and heads diamond cut and really did not want to go with out a bike for a month hehe