What performance diff can I expect from going stock 96 to 103??
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RE: What performance diff can I expect from going stock 96 to 103??
ORIGINAL: mikedmeyer
Thing is, the kit he's talking about isn't really comparable to what you have. The factory hop-ups pretty much suck compared to what you'll get going aftermarket for the same money. The Stage II big bore, which is what he was quoted, doesn't have 10.5 to 1 high comp heads, or the hot cam (it's got a cam, but it's a pretty mild one), or the bigger throttle body. I completely believe that you've got 95HP and 103 lb*ft. He won't. If you want to see the gain you WILL get go here and click on "performance chart:" http://www.harley-davidson.com/gma/g...bmLocale=en_US
Thing is, the kit he's talking about isn't really comparable to what you have. The factory hop-ups pretty much suck compared to what you'll get going aftermarket for the same money. The Stage II big bore, which is what he was quoted, doesn't have 10.5 to 1 high comp heads, or the hot cam (it's got a cam, but it's a pretty mild one), or the bigger throttle body. I completely believe that you've got 95HP and 103 lb*ft. He won't. If you want to see the gain you WILL get go here and click on "performance chart:" http://www.harley-davidson.com/gma/g...bmLocale=en_US
read the title and then read the performance chart.
the title reads stage II and the discription says this kit comes with cams, BUT the performance chart is for a stage I kit wich doesnt come with cams?????
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RE: What performance diff can I expect from going stock 96 to 103??
Yeah, you're right. Try to find the Stage II, it's nowhere to be found. But, the CVO 110 motor in the SE bikes makes 80HP, and 95 lb*ft. HD's 103 hop-up isn't going to beat that. Bottom line is if you want to really hot rod your bike, go for a recipe like Rocky's, NOT something from the motor company.
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RE: What performance diff can I expect from going stock 96 to 103??
The dealer SWEARS I'll end up with AT LEAST 90 hp/115tq and since he's going to dyno it we'll see. If those numbers aren't reached, I'm going to be asking the dealer so really pointed questions. The way I see it is this...I'm dropping approx. 1k for the A/C, SERT and pipes, the 103 kit is another $1,500. So I'm into it for only $2,500. BUT $1,000 of that is stage 1 stuff, which I was going to do any way.I spoke with a builder yesterday to see what it would costs to "do it right" and he said his 103 kit was about $2k. It would cost me $500-$600. for the labor to put it back together and than I'd need to spend some time on the dyno for $200-$300. Looks like "doing it right" would cost about $3k give or take. Not much money in the scheme of things but I'm back to the warrenty issue...I spend more money AND kill 3.5 years left on the warrenty. Eventually, what I'd really like to do is drop a 113 in it. One builder I spoke with said he could get 120+hp and 125-130/TQ out of the 113. That would cost about 6k because then I'd have to change out the crank...thats over half what I paid for my bike. It gets kinda crazy doesn't it. Spend $11,700 on the bike and another 6k jamming it out. I'll let you guys know what happens and the numbers I end up with. The imput has been great!
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RE: What performance diff can I expect from going stock 96 to 103??
ORIGINAL: mikedmeyer
Yeah, you're right. Try to find the Stage II, it's nowhere to be found. But, the CVO 110 motor in the SE bikes makes 80HP, and 95 lb*ft. HD's 103 hop-up isn't going to beat that. Bottom line is if you want to really hot rod your bike, go for a recipe like Rocky's, NOT something from the motor company.
i understand what ur saying, but to stay in compliance with warranty these factory SE kits will not void it.
Yeah, you're right. Try to find the Stage II, it's nowhere to be found. But, the CVO 110 motor in the SE bikes makes 80HP, and 95 lb*ft. HD's 103 hop-up isn't going to beat that. Bottom line is if you want to really hot rod your bike, go for a recipe like Rocky's, NOT something from the motor company.
i understand what ur saying, but to stay in compliance with warranty these factory SE kits will not void it.
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RE: What performance diff can I expect from going stock 96 to 103??
103
-96
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= 7 in my book, according to my calculations......
How much did you say you were spendin'?
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RE: What performance diff can I expect from going stock 96 to 103??
Yeah, that's all true. But the fact remains that the biggest bang for the buck you're going to get is just a stage 1. Pipes, A/C, and some kind of fuel management. I put a Stage 3 Big Bore kit from HD in my 99 FXDWG (first year of the TC88 motor - kit went to 95). It wasn't worth it, IMO; I wouldn't do it again. It's a cruiser, and that's all it's ever going to be.
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RE: What performance diff can I expect from going stock 96 to 103??
Thats the start of a big money pit..Heads, ign,crank,rods,pipes,on and on!!!!!!!! 
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RE: What performance diff can I expect from going stock 96 to 103??
yes they are just cruisers, but im getting the rocker and the way i look at it is that its already gonna be down a little on hp/tq because of the 96B compared to the standard 96 and its fat rear and i just want to give it some boost but not void the factory warranty is all. i think the SE 103 stage II should do this. and i always like to do a little performance upgrades to my bikes. not expecting it to be a grx-r1000 or anything.
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RE: What performance diff can I expect from going stock 96 to 103??
06train...you aren't kidding. It gets kinda crazy fast. I was having this same conversation with a buddy of mine that has a street glide and wants to bump it up to 95. For the costs of all this motor work we decided we could pick up a nice Huybusia (?), and have a bike that will give you for thrills than you can handle. Harleys are what they are, and although I cann't imagine having anything else, there are tons of bikes that will out perform it...for a whole lot less money. Those other bikesmay get there sooner, but they won't look near as cool after the harleys show up