Stage one upgrades for ST modles
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Stage one upgrades for ST modles
Hello fellow riders, I just bought my first HD, 2007 Softail Standard. Bike has all stock components on it except for slip on mufflers, at t his point I don't know the brand however I know they are not SE or VH. My question is this.
Should I get the stage one kit and new mapping for the fuel system. then get the bike dynoed? What can I expect from this upgrade and what will the cost be?
Thanks
STR
Should I get the stage one kit and new mapping for the fuel system. then get the bike dynoed? What can I expect from this upgrade and what will the cost be?
Thanks
STR
R.I.P. BROTHER
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Spending Dyno money on a stage 1 upgrade isnt really needed.
Just have the dealer download a stage 1 map when you do the AC and pipes. When you go to a stage 2 build then spend the moolah on a SERT or some other fuel management system amd have the bike dyno tuned.
They have perfected the stage 1 mapping. You may be happy with the bikes performance at that point so dropping $450.00 on a SERT and another $200.00 on Dyno time with a stage 1 bike wouldnt really be worth the expense IMO.
Read:http://www.harley-performance.com/stage-1.html
Just have the dealer download a stage 1 map when you do the AC and pipes. When you go to a stage 2 build then spend the moolah on a SERT or some other fuel management system amd have the bike dyno tuned.
They have perfected the stage 1 mapping. You may be happy with the bikes performance at that point so dropping $450.00 on a SERT and another $200.00 on Dyno time with a stage 1 bike wouldnt really be worth the expense IMO.
Read:http://www.harley-performance.com/stage-1.html
Last edited by Chazmanian; May 11, 2009 at 08:57 AM.
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I've heard that with JUST slip ons, you don't really _need_ to do anything.. If you are going to also include an AC and/or full exhaust, you should think of other upgrades like stage one..etc...
Note: This is for the FI models as the o2 sensor can compensate.. Their are some helpful threads on this in another forum.
Note: This is for the FI models as the o2 sensor can compensate.. Their are some helpful threads on this in another forum.
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I respectfully disagree with this statement. You will not see a huge increase in power from a custom tune on a Stage 1 bike, but you will know that your bike is giving you the most that it can give you. My tune and TTS ran right around $800 and it was worth every penny. It runs smoother and cooler, and there's no hesitation when I crack the throttle.
R.I.P. BROTHER
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I respectfully disagree with this statement. You will not see a huge increase in power from a custom tune on a Stage 1 bike, but you will know that your bike is giving you the most that it can give you. My tune and TTS ran right around $800 and it was worth every penny. It runs smoother and cooler, and there's no hesitation when I crack the throttle.
I think when I look at that $800 cost when we are talking about going from 65HP to 70HP that is hard to justify.
Did you try and dislike your bike on a canned map prior to having it dyno tuned with the TTS?
A canned map may do 69HP vs' 71HP on a Dyno tuned FI managed bike?? with a TQ gain in the same equation?
The OP can buy hisself lots of neat stuff by leaving that 2HP gain alone.
Dont get me wrong Thomp. I'm a Dyno "Addict" want it tuned perfect guy like you as well!! My bike has been dynoed and tuned 4-5 times in the last 4 months with multiple different combinations.
But unless the OP is working with an unlimited budget or ready to do a stage 2 bike I cant see how its justifiable. Thats halfway to a big bore kit or getting a set of badass ported heads for what 2HP? Build the bike and then he will need that tuner and dyno time.
But thats the great thing about these forums. A guy can post and get differing opinions!!!
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Road Master
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Softail Riydr,
If its performance you seek, you will want the trifecta to start with. Pipes/AC/Fuel management. This can be a costly endevour and really comes back to what you want from your bike. With your current set up I agree with Chaz, spend your hard earned cash else where or save it for the above trifecta. A dyno at this point would just need to be redone once you added AC and Pipes if you went that way.
If its performance you seek, you will want the trifecta to start with. Pipes/AC/Fuel management. This can be a costly endevour and really comes back to what you want from your bike. With your current set up I agree with Chaz, spend your hard earned cash else where or save it for the above trifecta. A dyno at this point would just need to be redone once you added AC and Pipes if you went that way.
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Road Captain
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I get frustrated because I can't find a single answer for a stage one. Some say you need this and some that. I have read for weeks and can't find an answer beyond spend $1000 and you will be fine. So, good luck in your search
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If you're only concerned about numbers, then a Stage 1 dyno tune is a waste of money. I had the Stage 1 dealer download prior to getting the TTS and dyno tune. The bike ran like crap. With the tune, I'm running 15-20 degrees cooler and much, much smoother. More than that, I got a big torque bump at 3500rpm. Yeah, the actual gains are small, but the bike runs far better now than it did before.
Your bike, your money. For my bike and my money, I'm pleased. I went the cheap Stage 1 route, and now I've done it right. On top of that, I now have what I'll need when I go to the next step. That's something I couldn't say before.
Your bike, your money. For my bike and my money, I'm pleased. I went the cheap Stage 1 route, and now I've done it right. On top of that, I now have what I'll need when I go to the next step. That's something I couldn't say before.