Considering a Trade...Need Input
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Day-Um....There goes that derned new guy Gunner "Riling" up the natives again.
Gunner. You have a knack for stirring up Poop! If you havent realized by now the majority of our team Softail members here are on the newer model bikes. They could give two shats about this bearing or that bearing or some old tranny being assumed better by you. These Gents will most certainly take offense to having their 96"ers slammed on.
Suppose I'll sit back and watch the show unfold.
Gunner. You have a knack for stirring up Poop! If you havent realized by now the majority of our team Softail members here are on the newer model bikes. They could give two shats about this bearing or that bearing or some old tranny being assumed better by you. These Gents will most certainly take offense to having their 96"ers slammed on.
Suppose I'll sit back and watch the show unfold.
Hell, you know why the moco went to a stroked TC88 to begin with to a 96"? EMISSIONS first and foremost. And marketing 2nd(stroking gains an extra 7-8 cubes). What they dont tell you is that the Twin cam engine was designed around a 4" crank originally(And it was actually designed as a 95" engine, not an 88", it was made as an 88" again to help reduce emissions and to allow for the ability to make more money selling a "BB" 95" kit). But I prefer running the TC with its original stroke. Reduced wear and tear(via piston speed, side wall loading due to RS geometry, bearing/parts fatigue etc)on the engine itself, and a smoother running ride. And when you use the stock 4" stroke and bore the case out going to an oversquare engine design the benefits are even more pronounced. Alot of people around here run all bore 107"(4.125" piston)/114"(4.25 piston like myself) TC setups and the new engines just can't touch them for smooth running reliable power. I was able to convince one guy in my local MC to dump his TC96's crank and source an older forged 4" model off ebay and go all bore. Once his engine was done he couldnt believe the difference it made.
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Dayum....The Gunner fires back a salvo!!
Gunner I know one of the few guys here who actually like having you around and reading your stuff.
I dont always agree with you but I like reading your madness anyways.
Can you maybe work on the delivery a lil' bit tho? You obviously have some good Harley knowledge to share but your delivery is just so bad.
Surely you arent as much of a ******** in person as you are on this forum now are you?
Look how your inflammatory post could be done as to not offend folks and the bike they spent so much of their hard earned dough on:
See? Thats not so bad now eh?
BTW....Dont you rag on my old beater 05' Gunnie. Or its on fvcker. Its so on. LOL.
Gunner I know one of the few guys here who actually like having you around and reading your stuff.
I dont always agree with you but I like reading your madness anyways.
Can you maybe work on the delivery a lil' bit tho? You obviously have some good Harley knowledge to share but your delivery is just so bad.
Surely you arent as much of a ******** in person as you are on this forum now are you?
Look how your inflammatory post could be done as to not offend folks and the bike they spent so much of their hard earned dough on:
Originally Posted by GunmetalBlueNT 
Honestly, you may consider an older 2002 Softail custom fuel injected model with low miles. 2002's were some really well built bikes.
Reasons being:
A.They had the heavy duty timken crank bearing which is super tough.
B. The FORGED crank is also an excellent piece designed to go a long long time.
C. The new Delphi FI ECM was on those as well
D. 2002 is one of the last years with the older style 5 speed transmission which was just bullet proof.
The newer built bikes are slowly starting to fall victim to cost cutting measures. Some of the components are starting to be under designed rather than over designed as the older bikes.
You can grab a mint condition 02' for less than you sell your bike for, take the money saved and put it back into the bike.
Honestly, you may consider an older 2002 Softail custom fuel injected model with low miles. 2002's were some really well built bikes.
Reasons being:
A.They had the heavy duty timken crank bearing which is super tough.
B. The FORGED crank is also an excellent piece designed to go a long long time.
C. The new Delphi FI ECM was on those as well
D. 2002 is one of the last years with the older style 5 speed transmission which was just bullet proof.
The newer built bikes are slowly starting to fall victim to cost cutting measures. Some of the components are starting to be under designed rather than over designed as the older bikes.
You can grab a mint condition 02' for less than you sell your bike for, take the money saved and put it back into the bike.
BTW....Dont you rag on my old beater 05' Gunnie. Or its on fvcker. Its so on. LOL.
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Get the 200mm rear tire on the '08.........'02 is the skinny back tire. Not saying one is better than the other, but the difference is there for those that care. I do.........
I've been happy with my 6 speed.......no noise no worries.
'08 has the automatic primary tensioner......'02 does not....
there are lots more differences......those just came to mind
I've been happy with my 6 speed.......no noise no worries.
'08 has the automatic primary tensioner......'02 does not....
there are lots more differences......those just came to mind
Again, the guy wanted input, he got it from one person who has dealt with all years of the TC platform right here. What he wants to do is up to him, no need to argue the fact.
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I'd love to sell off your bike so I can get a hold of an 02' Night train, I got another project in the works Im ready to start up, need a donor bike and some extra $$$, that 05" would do just fine. 
I tell it like I see and KNOW it. Not trying to be a dick, but Im not gonna waste time sugarcoating things. I'll have a few shots of Mezcal with you anytime.
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The guy asked for input. He got mine. What? Should I have lied and told him a glowing review on the newer bike when I know it isn't the case?
Hell, you know why the moco went to a stroked TC88 to begin with to a 96"? EMISSIONS first and foremost. And marketing 2nd(stroking gains an extra 7-8 cubes). What they dont tell you is that the Twin cam engine was designed around a 4" crank originally(And it was actually designed as a 95" engine, not an 88", it was made as an 88" again to help reduce emissions and to allow for the ability to make more money selling a "BB" 95" kit). But I prefer running the TC with its original stroke. Reduced wear and tear(via piston speed, side wall loading due to RS geometry, bearing/parts fatigue etc)on the engine itself, and a smoother running ride. And when you use the stock 4" stroke and bore the case out going to an oversquare engine design the benefits are even more pronounced. Alot of people around here run all bore 107"(4.125" piston)/114"(4.25 piston like myself) TC setups and the new engines just can't touch them for smooth running reliable power. I was able to convince one guy in my local MC to dump his TC96's crank and source an older forged 4" model off ebay and go all bore. Once his engine was done he couldnt believe the difference it made.
Hell, you know why the moco went to a stroked TC88 to begin with to a 96"? EMISSIONS first and foremost. And marketing 2nd(stroking gains an extra 7-8 cubes). What they dont tell you is that the Twin cam engine was designed around a 4" crank originally(And it was actually designed as a 95" engine, not an 88", it was made as an 88" again to help reduce emissions and to allow for the ability to make more money selling a "BB" 95" kit). But I prefer running the TC with its original stroke. Reduced wear and tear(via piston speed, side wall loading due to RS geometry, bearing/parts fatigue etc)on the engine itself, and a smoother running ride. And when you use the stock 4" stroke and bore the case out going to an oversquare engine design the benefits are even more pronounced. Alot of people around here run all bore 107"(4.125" piston)/114"(4.25 piston like myself) TC setups and the new engines just can't touch them for smooth running reliable power. I was able to convince one guy in my local MC to dump his TC96's crank and source an older forged 4" model off ebay and go all bore. Once his engine was done he couldnt believe the difference it made.
Gunnie you are preaching to the choir Bro. I had the means to buy a shiny new Train and went searching for an older model myself and proceeded to spend the extra dough on mods.
I did some research. I knew about some of the issues with the newer bikes. It wasnt so much the tranny tho. In my case I dislike the 200MM rear on a Softail. Call me an Asshat but I'm a subscriber to the narrower *** ended bike. 160-180 kinda Sucker Punch sally style chit.
I rode a 95" and a 96" back to back. I ride and have raced offroad for years. I could feel the longer stroked 96" running differently than did the snappier 95". Like my KTM 525EXC ran different from my short stroke 450XC That didnt push me over the edge tho. It was that fatassed fender on the 06+ I couldnt stomach. Looked wrong for where i was wanting to go stylistically.
Oddly enough now that I'm jockey shifting I want the longer stroke....I'm thinking welded trued balnced stroker crank and doing a 103 deal.
My little 95" is just so snappy and gnarly in its current state that I'm gonna be hard pressed to start all over again. The need to lug is now there though and I'm thinking longer stroke = better luggability maybe?
Talk me down!!
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Gunnie you are preaching to the choir Bro. I had the means to buy a shiny new Train and went searching for an older model myself and proceeded to spend the extra dough on mods.
I did some research. I knew about some of the issues with the newer bikes. It wasnt so much the tranny tho. In my case I dislike the 200MM rear on a Softail. Call me an Asshat but I'm a subscriber to the narrower *** ended bike. 160-180 kinda Sucker Punch sally style chit.
I rode a 95" and a 96" back to back. I ride and have raced offroad for years. I could feel the longer stroked 96" running differently than did the snappier 95". Like my KTM 525EXC ran different from my short stroke 450XC That didnt push me over the edge tho. It was that fatassed fender on the 06+ I couldnt stomach. Looked wrong for where i was wanting to go stylistically.
Oddly enough now that I'm jockey shifting I want the longer stroke....I'm thinking welded trued balnced stroker crank and doing a 103 deal.
My little 95" is just so snappy and gnarly in its current state that I'm gonna be hard pressed to start all over again. The need to lug is now there though and I'm thinking longer stroke = better luggability maybe?
Talk me down!!
I did some research. I knew about some of the issues with the newer bikes. It wasnt so much the tranny tho. In my case I dislike the 200MM rear on a Softail. Call me an Asshat but I'm a subscriber to the narrower *** ended bike. 160-180 kinda Sucker Punch sally style chit.
I rode a 95" and a 96" back to back. I ride and have raced offroad for years. I could feel the longer stroked 96" running differently than did the snappier 95". Like my KTM 525EXC ran different from my short stroke 450XC That didnt push me over the edge tho. It was that fatassed fender on the 06+ I couldnt stomach. Looked wrong for where i was wanting to go stylistically.
Oddly enough now that I'm jockey shifting I want the longer stroke....I'm thinking welded trued balnced stroker crank and doing a 103 deal.
My little 95" is just so snappy and gnarly in its current state that I'm gonna be hard pressed to start all over again. The need to lug is now there though and I'm thinking longer stroke = better luggability maybe?
Talk me down!!
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DO you want to put up pink slips? I'd love to sell off your bike so I can get a hold of an 02' Night train, I got another project in the works Im ready to start up, need a donor bike and some extra $$$, that 05" would do just fine.
I tell it like I see and KNOW it. Not trying to be a dick, but Im not gonna waste time sugarcoating things. I'll have a few shots of Mezcal with you anytime.
I'd love to sell off your bike so I can get a hold of an 02' Night train, I got another project in the works Im ready to start up, need a donor bike and some extra $$$, that 05" would do just fine. I tell it like I see and KNOW it. Not trying to be a dick, but Im not gonna waste time sugarcoating things. I'll have a few shots of Mezcal with you anytime.
I cant race a guy with a buck sixty to the rear wheel. Sheese my neighbor and his silly Kawasaki mean streak whom I once owned at will can now walk away from me as holding my bike WFO one handed whilst shifting my Jockey is kinda...Spooky! I like spooky but 100MPH one handed shifting gears on a rough back road in Colorado one handed exceeds even my spooky level which is pretty fvckin' high Gunnie!
I didnt buy the thing to go fast. I do like the extra grunt of well sorted 100/100 bike but anymore than that isnt really what I'm after.
Maybe just some of that luggability I referred to in a previous post?
I run these on all my off road bikes. These things are like cheating. WFO through ruts, sand, rocks, I can feel the lil' gem keeping me pointed straight when deep on the gas and on the ragged edge....Soon as they make one that looks like this Scotts instead of that silly arm from frame to tree I will feel better about all this WFO one handed chit!
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Just wait till I add my direct port NOS system, going on in the next week or 2.
Want to give your bike some more torque? Smart thing to do is to dump that weezer primary ratio your running and swap out to a 3.37 or 3.48 primary gearing setup. You will give your bike a whole new feel, and alot more torque and punch from the gearing.
Want to give your bike some more torque? Smart thing to do is to dump that weezer primary ratio your running and swap out to a 3.37 or 3.48 primary gearing setup. You will give your bike a whole new feel, and alot more torque and punch from the gearing.
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Day-Um....There goes that derned new guy Gunner "Riling" up the natives again.
Gunner. You have a knack for stirring up Poop! If you havent realized by now the majority of our team Softail members here are on the newer model bikes. They could give two shats about this bearing or that bearing or some old tranny being assumed better by you. These Gents will most certainly take offense to having their 96"ers slammed on.
Suppose I'll sit back and watch the show unfold.
Gunner. You have a knack for stirring up Poop! If you havent realized by now the majority of our team Softail members here are on the newer model bikes. They could give two shats about this bearing or that bearing or some old tranny being assumed better by you. These Gents will most certainly take offense to having their 96"ers slammed on.
Suppose I'll sit back and watch the show unfold.
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You want more power/ bigger? since either way you gotta split the case, your better off just keeping the stock crank, getting it TIG'd, plugged and trued and boring out the case going with a 107" or 114" all bore setup. Just a nasty setup if done right. And the engine runs buttery smooth too for what it is.
I like the snap, **** and vinegar of the short stroke bike in most situations when racing. Soon as I stopped racing and started fun riding I liked the versatility and lazy no clutch no shift behaviour of the longer stroked bikes. I'm thinking that may translate well with my foot clutched jockey shifted Train in traffic....We have lots of traffic here lately and I'm lazy nowadays!!
But then again I sold the long stroked 525 4 stroke tractor last year and now ride a buzzing angry busy 220 pound 52HP 300 2 stroke KTM so maybe I'm just tripping!!