Winter Project?
Winter Project?
I recently decided on a winter project. I have decided to make the jump to a 95. I went to the Stealership, and they gave me a break down of the upgrade, since I already have V&H BSL's (with Monster baffles) & SE intake. This is what they wanna do:
22661-99A - 3 7/8" High Compression (10.25:1)
16546-99 - 3 7/8" Big Bore Cylinders
1020-0003 - Power Commander
17052-99C - Gasket Kit, Top End
25152-00 - SE 211 Cam Kit
All of this for the "Low Low" price of... $1210.76 (NO LABOR INCLUDED)
Now, my next question... If I wanted to take this to a 103", I have been told all I really need to do is install the Pro Stroker Flywheel and Rod Assembly. Is this true? I would imagine that there will be some other small items to purchase for this, but not hundreds of dollars worth of extras. I am guessing mechanical (or auto) compression releases. And possibly some head work, in the way of springs? I have always been a fan of the Andrew's Cams. I really just want low-end torque and cruising power. A Heritage is NOT a drag bike, a would never use it as one. I just want to be able to cruise down the highway, and be able to crank the throttle to pass someone if needed. Also, while I am in there, should I go ahead and convert to gear-driven cams?
I have found a set of 3 7/8" cylinders & some 3 7/8" Flat-top pistons for $125... but they are used. He says there are about 1,200 miles on the setup. I was thinking about just buying them, and then trading out the pistons for the High-Compression pistons.
Any ideas? Comments? Suggestions?
Thanks in advance!
22661-99A - 3 7/8" High Compression (10.25:1)
16546-99 - 3 7/8" Big Bore Cylinders
1020-0003 - Power Commander
17052-99C - Gasket Kit, Top End
25152-00 - SE 211 Cam Kit
All of this for the "Low Low" price of... $1210.76 (NO LABOR INCLUDED)
Now, my next question... If I wanted to take this to a 103", I have been told all I really need to do is install the Pro Stroker Flywheel and Rod Assembly. Is this true? I would imagine that there will be some other small items to purchase for this, but not hundreds of dollars worth of extras. I am guessing mechanical (or auto) compression releases. And possibly some head work, in the way of springs? I have always been a fan of the Andrew's Cams. I really just want low-end torque and cruising power. A Heritage is NOT a drag bike, a would never use it as one. I just want to be able to cruise down the highway, and be able to crank the throttle to pass someone if needed. Also, while I am in there, should I go ahead and convert to gear-driven cams?
I have found a set of 3 7/8" cylinders & some 3 7/8" Flat-top pistons for $125... but they are used. He says there are about 1,200 miles on the setup. I was thinking about just buying them, and then trading out the pistons for the High-Compression pistons.
Any ideas? Comments? Suggestions?
Thanks in advance!
Road Warrior
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I just put my '09 up to a 103, and there are a few guys that I ride with who still kick my a$$ with their 95's. Go to a 95 with a good set of cams, and have the heads machined and I bet you get more than enough out of it... I'm gonna have to get my heads done when I have the money so that I can say "my bike is faster than yours" but really I have all the power I need for the driving I do.
Cruiser
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From: CA
I'd stay with a 95. I just had my motor rebuilt by the local dealer. It was allready a 95 and I kept it as a 95, I had to replace the flywheel anyways since there was some damage to it so they asked if I wanted to go to the 103 stroker. It would have only cost me an extra 400 but I said no thanks. Mainly because even though 400 is not a whole lot of money, I didn't have the extra 400. Any ways what I am getting at is you aren't changing the flywheels if you go with a 95. And the flywheel assembly isn't cheap. I believe they go for about 900 bucks. Go with the 95.
Road Master
Joined: Apr 2009
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From: Mebane, NC
You can get everything you want from the 95 and save yourself some coin. A 95 inch with the right set up is a fast reving little fireball and you won't have to split your cases!
The comment you made about want low end torque tells me one thing for sure...you do not want the 211 cam. I had that cam and that's the reason I changed it. It is a hot little cam that sounds great but doesn't have much down low. It can make some good numbers though. It was in my bike when I purchased it along with a SE Heavy Breather, V&H BSS, and a Power Commander and the bike made around 88hp and 96tq but the power really didn't come on until above 3500rpm. It does like a boost in compression usually 10:5-1 or even higher but it it still a mid range torque/ high end power cam.... Not a low end torque cam.
I am certainly no engine builder but I tried hard to make that cam work with what I had and it cost me some $$$.
Are you set on HD parts? If not there are some great cams that will give you exactly what you want. I went with T-Man parts because his stuff does what he says it will do...make power. He has a Stage II kit for $1974 and that includes the heads. This kit will get you around 105-110 hp/105-110 tq with a torque band starting around 2000-2500rpm. This, of course will depend on your air cleaner, exhaust, tuner, etc. but you get the idea.
Sorry for the long post but I just want you to make an educated decision about what you want, what you expect, and what you can afford.
The comment you made about want low end torque tells me one thing for sure...you do not want the 211 cam. I had that cam and that's the reason I changed it. It is a hot little cam that sounds great but doesn't have much down low. It can make some good numbers though. It was in my bike when I purchased it along with a SE Heavy Breather, V&H BSS, and a Power Commander and the bike made around 88hp and 96tq but the power really didn't come on until above 3500rpm. It does like a boost in compression usually 10:5-1 or even higher but it it still a mid range torque/ high end power cam.... Not a low end torque cam.
I am certainly no engine builder but I tried hard to make that cam work with what I had and it cost me some $$$.
Are you set on HD parts? If not there are some great cams that will give you exactly what you want. I went with T-Man parts because his stuff does what he says it will do...make power. He has a Stage II kit for $1974 and that includes the heads. This kit will get you around 105-110 hp/105-110 tq with a torque band starting around 2000-2500rpm. This, of course will depend on your air cleaner, exhaust, tuner, etc. but you get the idea.
Sorry for the long post but I just want you to make an educated decision about what you want, what you expect, and what you can afford.
jla: I decided last night, that I would stay with the 95". All said and done, it just seems like a lot of money to drop on a bike, that I may trade back in, in a couple years (Streetglide). Good call though bud!
Tired_bird: I know the feeling on the extra cash... just wish everything was not so expensive when it came to Harley's! LoL!
HarleyHeaven: Thank you so much for the detailed post! That is why I post on here, as most of the members here have done this stuff before, and know what works. I think I am going to go ahead and buy those used 3 7/8" cylinders, and just swap the pistons out for some high-compression pistons. I will look into the T-Man cams as well. If I did the cylinders, pistons, and T-Man 625 cams... would it still work pretty well with the stock heads, until I can save some money to buy the Stg 2 Pro-Touring heads from T-Man? I will end up getting a Power Commander for sure, and take it down to Nashville for a Dyno-tune.
Thanks to you all for the info!
Tired_bird: I know the feeling on the extra cash... just wish everything was not so expensive when it came to Harley's! LoL!
HarleyHeaven: Thank you so much for the detailed post! That is why I post on here, as most of the members here have done this stuff before, and know what works. I think I am going to go ahead and buy those used 3 7/8" cylinders, and just swap the pistons out for some high-compression pistons. I will look into the T-Man cams as well. If I did the cylinders, pistons, and T-Man 625 cams... would it still work pretty well with the stock heads, until I can save some money to buy the Stg 2 Pro-Touring heads from T-Man? I will end up getting a Power Commander for sure, and take it down to Nashville for a Dyno-tune.
Thanks to you all for the info!
Cruiser
Joined: Sep 2010
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From: CA
I'm running stock heads, I have the 95 kit and S&S gear drive cams. I baught the bike like that but there was a counter balance problem, now that the motor is rebuilt when I get it back on the road (Hopefully Tuesday) I will post how it's performing with the stock heads.
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I just did a 95" build a few weeks ago. I am running the SE 203 Cam and a D&D fatcat. I will be getting it Dyoned in about a week and a half and will post dyno charts and nubmers then. That being said I just got back from Las Vegas and I finally had an opportunity to see what the bike could do. It get's going really quick. I was actually surprised as I assume a 103 would be a lot faster, but I am sure once it is Dynoed I will be able to at the very least keep up with a 103 if not smoke it. I am running stock heads too.
As far as price, I built mine myself, and this was my first engine build. It was much simpler than I imagined it would be. I did my cams last year and that was a little more work, but not too difficult either.
Drew
As far as price, I built mine myself, and this was my first engine build. It was much simpler than I imagined it would be. I did my cams last year and that was a little more work, but not too difficult either.
Drew
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Road Master
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jla: I decided last night, that I would stay with the 95". All said and done, it just seems like a lot of money to drop on a bike, that I may trade back in, in a couple years (Streetglide). Good call though bud!
Tired_bird: I know the feeling on the extra cash... just wish everything was not so expensive when it came to Harley's! LoL!
HarleyHeaven: Thank you so much for the detailed post! That is why I post on here, as most of the members here have done this stuff before, and know what works. I think I am going to go ahead and buy those used 3 7/8" cylinders, and just swap the pistons out for some high-compression pistons. I will look into the T-Man cams as well. If I did the cylinders, pistons, and T-Man 625 cams... would it still work pretty well with the stock heads, until I can save some money to buy the Stg 2 Pro-Touring heads from T-Man? I will end up getting a Power Commander for sure, and take it down to Nashville for a Dyno-tune.
Thanks to you all for the info!
Tired_bird: I know the feeling on the extra cash... just wish everything was not so expensive when it came to Harley's! LoL!
HarleyHeaven: Thank you so much for the detailed post! That is why I post on here, as most of the members here have done this stuff before, and know what works. I think I am going to go ahead and buy those used 3 7/8" cylinders, and just swap the pistons out for some high-compression pistons. I will look into the T-Man cams as well. If I did the cylinders, pistons, and T-Man 625 cams... would it still work pretty well with the stock heads, until I can save some money to buy the Stg 2 Pro-Touring heads from T-Man? I will end up getting a Power Commander for sure, and take it down to Nashville for a Dyno-tune.
Thanks to you all for the info!
As I said before I am no engine builder but I would certainly think the cams would work until you get the heads done...you obviously won't get near the benefits from the cam with stock heads but I'm sure you know that. The 625 is a pretty specific cam and it is a tall cam. There was alot of case grinding when it went in so I would not consider it a "bolt in" cam. I would also consider doing away with the sping cam tensioners. I went with hydraulic tensioners instead of gear driven but these are things to discuss with a knowledgable builder. I would call T-Man (T.R. Reiser) and tell him what you are thinking about. He is extremely knowledgeable and some say a tad arrogant but that may be due to all the "questions" he gets. I think alot of people call him to ask questions diquised as opinions. I called and told him what I expected. He said this is what you need to do. He did not try to talk me into anything and didn't try to sell me anything. He also seemed genuinely interested in getting me what I wanted within my budget. Any good engine builder knows a satisfied customer will tell 5 people and an unsatisfied customer will tell 25 people!
There are also some other great cams. Woods, Andrews, Headquarters, etc. the list and opinions go on and on! I hear the Woods cam are heavy on torque although I have no personal experience.
Remember...ask questions, questions, questions until you are satisfied!
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