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Old May 25, 2012 | 01:43 PM
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I have had Boss Bags and Iron Bags on previous scooters as well as the HD bags that I have on my Deluxe. I love the way that these bags look and I got them used and cheap but they aren't even in the same league as Boss or Irons. Boss or Irons will outlast any bike that they are bolted to. From what I know LP's and Boss are the same. HD bags dont hold a candle to them and I doubt that you will ever find anyone that has owned the two who would argue this.
 
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Old May 25, 2012 | 02:40 PM
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I just purchased Leather Pros LP4000 bags. I just cant imaginine why anyone would want to fool with harleys bags. They are outrageous, dont lock, thin leather, and require a signal relocation kit. You also have to purchase the mounting hardware seperate. Leather Pros is the way to go for Fatboy saddlebags.
 
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Old May 25, 2012 | 03:05 PM
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I hold 34 cans, if i stuff it 35 cans, @ 12 ounces in my saddle bags and they r rated at 1200 cubic inches your bags are rating at much higher and getting less in your 32 and 30 and more by 6 on your 40... now where you beat Boss out is that u have a lower price... how do you measure your cubic inches? also the picture of someone standing on the bags is imoressive but not a reliable way to judge how strong something is...there is the whole speed and centrifugal force thing to deal with as well as inward and outward pressure and wind...how do your bags compensate for 40 pounds being stuffed into them and hitting an exit from the interstate in high winds at 60 mph in a decreasing radius turn with an s turn directly at the end at approximately 25 to 30 mph...without the lower arm do they swing or sway or blow at all near the tire or lean out towards the road that is my biggest concern, as is a high speed sever swerve to miss something that may result in off road travel and another swerve to get back on road that type of action high up on a stationary point which has 90% + of its mass and weight below it has to be rough on the docking bolts and cam levers. I really do not care if I could stand on the top applying a steady down force of constant pressure...I am sure Harley would collapse, as that type of pressure is not often exurted on the saddle bags...and they were not designed for it. They were designed to not swing out at all or in at all and hold weight in a stationary position. but the affore mentioned forces are common to motorcycling and without a bar to keep the bags still at the bottom how do the bolts and mounting brackets hold up to the swing/ pendulum motion that the bags create? I can not debate the thickness of the leather as in my statement I said I thought they were but may not be thicker, but as I said thicker doesn't mean everything... You have sold me on the thickness and the fact that ur cheaper and if the 4000 really holds 40 cans for less money with the mounting hardware included, but the OEM parts offer convenience and the lower stabilizing bar, which u have not yet convinced me is unnecessary. The last thing is keys. Should I lose keys do you have replacements? I can always get them from my dealer and quickly...same day service if necessary... as long as I know the vin, I am learry of dealing with outside the OEM safety net even if the price is lower as usually lower price and no large backing means, inadvertantly, less services the smaller company can offer. I have more issues but These are key to my reasoning...if u can show stats or tech specs that can aleviate these concerns then U will have just sold a set of 4000 bags for my 2012 Fatboy Lo as long as they r quick release and require no tools to do so. I dont wanna pack maintenance items into my luggage to take care of my luggage.
 
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Old May 25, 2012 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by TennesseeGene
I hold 34 cans, if i stuff it 35 cans, @ 12 ounces in my saddle bags and they r rated at 1200 cubic inches your bags are rating at much higher and getting less in your 32 and 30 and more by 6 on your 40... now where you beat Boss out is that u have a lower price... how do you measure your cubic inches? also the picture of someone standing on the bags is imoressive but not a reliable way to judge how strong something is...there is the whole speed and centrifugal force thing to deal with as well as inward and outward pressure and wind...how do your bags compensate for 40 pounds being stuffed into them and hitting an exit from the interstate in high winds at 60 mph in a decreasing radius turn with an s turn directly at the end at approximately 25 to 30 mph...without the lower arm do they swing or sway or blow at all near the tire or lean out towards the road that is my biggest concern, as is a high speed sever swerve to miss something that may result in off road travel and another swerve to get back on road that type of action high up on a stationary point which has 90% + of its mass and weight below it has to be rough on the docking bolts and cam levers. I really do not care if I could stand on the top applying a steady down force of constant pressure...I am sure Harley would collapse, as that type of pressure is not often exurted on the saddle bags...and they were not designed for it. They were designed to not swing out at all or in at all and hold weight in a stationary position. but the affore mentioned forces are common to motorcycling and without a bar to keep the bags still at the bottom how do the bolts and mounting brackets hold up to the swing/ pendulum motion that the bags create? I can not debate the thickness of the leather as in my statement I said I thought they were but may not be thicker, but as I said thicker doesn't mean everything... You have sold me on the thickness and the fact that ur cheaper and if the 4000 really holds 40 cans for less money with the mounting hardware included, but the OEM parts offer convenience and the lower stabilizing bar, which u have not yet convinced me is unnecessary. The last thing is keys. Should I lose keys do you have replacements? I can always get them from my dealer and quickly...same day service if necessary... as long as I know the vin, I am learry of dealing with outside the OEM safety net even if the price is lower as usually lower price and no large backing means, inadvertantly, less services the smaller company can offer. I have more issues but These are key to my reasoning...if u can show stats or tech specs that can aleviate these concerns then U will have just sold a set of 4000 bags for my 2012 Fatboy Lo as long as they r quick release and require no tools to do so. I dont wanna pack maintenance items into my luggage to take care of my luggage.
LOL...ok I am going to admit it. You lost my interest after the fourth or fifth line of your post. Like I said, I have the HD bags because I got them cheap and like the look but compared to Boss and Iron they aren't even close in quality. Believe it or not, take my word or not....It's just a very well known fact.
 
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Old May 25, 2012 | 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by liquidr1
I just purchased Leather Pros LP4000 bags. I just cant imaginine why anyone would want to fool with harleys bags. They are outrageous, dont lock, thin leather, and require a signal relocation kit. You also have to purchase the mounting hardware seperate. Leather Pros is the way to go for Fatboy saddlebags.
For my application of the 4000 bags from LP I would need a relocation kit, and for my detachable sideplates I need a relocation kit anyway...I am getting the locks installed to match my ignition key so that I can always know I will be able to replace it if necessary, but with LP I can not do that...Your only left with thicker leather as why they are better, and you may be right, but I am really unsure about that lower arm. Everything seems to lean toward LP and I stated that above...but only if install is seconds without tools and only if they can show why I do not need to worry about the lower part of the bags being unsecured...has to be tough on 2 little bolts to have something swinging on them, or maybe not actually swinging but exerting force in an attempt to swing back and forth has to wear them down.
 
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Old May 25, 2012 | 03:24 PM
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thank you for actual intelligent replies, I see a lot of post here that r like, "youre stupid if u dont like this" It is nice to actually hear reasoned comments...After LP posts back I may be calling my dealer to have the order cancelled, as I have not installed my bags yet, and get a set of LP Fatboy bags, the only reall thing I wont like is the cheaper looking locks on the LP bags and the lack of a lower arm, but if they will outlast the bike and cutting and crashing and what have you then maybe they will be worth it and the looks are ok on the LP Fatboy Bags but I just really dig the fatboy detach leather from HD...here is to hoping they will be able to convine me
 
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Old May 25, 2012 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by TennesseeGene
I hold 34 cans, if i stuff it 35 cans, @ 12 ounces in my saddle bags and they r rated at 1200 cubic inches your bags are rating at much higher and getting less in your 32 and 30 and more by 6 on your 40... now where you beat Boss out is that u have a lower price... how do you measure your cubic inches? also the picture of someone standing on the bags is imoressive but not a reliable way to judge how strong something is...there is the whole speed and centrifugal force thing to deal with as well as inward and outward pressure and wind...how do your bags compensate for 40 pounds being stuffed into them and hitting an exit from the interstate in high winds at 60 mph in a decreasing radius turn with an s turn directly at the end at approximately 25 to 30 mph...without the lower arm do they swing or sway or blow at all near the tire or lean out towards the road that is my biggest concern, as is a high speed sever swerve to miss something that may result in off road travel and another swerve to get back on road that type of action high up on a stationary point which has 90% + of its mass and weight below it has to be rough on the docking bolts and cam levers. I really do not care if I could stand on the top applying a steady down force of constant pressure...I am sure Harley would collapse, as that type of pressure is not often exurted on the saddle bags...and they were not designed for it. They were designed to not swing out at all or in at all and hold weight in a stationary position. but the affore mentioned forces are common to motorcycling and without a bar to keep the bags still at the bottom how do the bolts and mounting brackets hold up to the swing/ pendulum motion that the bags create? I can not debate the thickness of the leather as in my statement I said I thought they were but may not be thicker, but as I said thicker doesn't mean everything... You have sold me on the thickness and the fact that ur cheaper and if the 4000 really holds 40 cans for less money with the mounting hardware included, but the OEM parts offer convenience and the lower stabilizing bar, which u have not yet convinced me is unnecessary. The last thing is keys. Should I lose keys do you have replacements? I can always get them from my dealer and quickly...same day service if necessary... as long as I know the vin, I am learry of dealing with outside the OEM safety net even if the price is lower as usually lower price and no large backing means, inadvertantly, less services the smaller company can offer. I have more issues but These are key to my reasoning...if u can show stats or tech specs that can aleviate these concerns then U will have just sold a set of 4000 bags for my 2012 Fatboy Lo as long as they r quick release and require no tools to do so. I dont wanna pack maintenance items into my luggage to take care of my luggage.
We measure cubic inches by filling the bags with sand, and then measure the sand. Odd shaped molding for the axle nut cover clearance messes up how many cans you can put in even though you only changed the volume a little.

If you lose you keys, we can send you new lock cylinders.

Centrifugal force? On a bike?

It is obvious you don't understand how our system works, maybe if you saw them in person you would. Instead of trying to explain it to you, I will show you a recent email I recieved. (we get one or two of these every year)

"Hello Garry,

My name is Charles Smith and I have ridden over 25 thousand miles with your 3100 series bags on my 2009 Fat Bob in the last year +. I have to say, they are the best purchase I have made since the bike. They have been with me in terrible rain and hail, in snow and sleet and on the beach in the baking hot sun. All the while, they remained looking brand new with an occasional application of Doc Bailey's. I love how quick and easy they are to attach/detach ( literally like 3-5 seconds per side), I leave them on 90% of the time though because I love having all the extra room for gear or quick stops at the store. Plus they look great and people always comment on them. I have attached a few pics of my bike with the Leather Pro's saddle bags.

So, about a week ago I got forced off the road and was on a very steep downward grade. I layed the bike down in the grass on the left side to avoid running into a brick or concrete structure and it caught on the saddlebag and outer primary cover and high sided. To the 3 other rider's I was with that witnessed the incident ( I was in the lead), and my self kneeling there in the grass. We were all completely amazed that first, I was completely unscratched (wearing just a Tee shirt, jeans and a half helmet) and only my jeans were a little dirty from sliding to a stop. Second and even more amazing, my bike was almost completely undamaged. A bracket on my controls was bent and the right hand grip chrome outer trim ring cracked. EVERYTHING else was unscratched.....save for my saddle bags. They look a little scuffed and a leather buckle strap on the left side broke.

My bike and my legs were protected by your saddlebags (no crash bars....yet), thank you for building not only a nicely finished product, but a very well built and easily serviceable one as well. I was hoping I could send mine to you to be assessed and possibly repaired at my cost. Thank you for taking time to read my story and thank you again for such a great product.

- Charles Smith"

We re-skinned his bag for a little over $100. The brackets weren't even bent.

Garry
 
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Old May 25, 2012 | 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by LeatherPro
We measure cubic inches by filling the bags with sand, and then measure the sand. Odd shaped molding for the axle nut cover clearance messes up how many cans you can put in even though you only changed the volume a little.

If you lose you keys, we can send you new lock cylinders.

Centrifugal force? On a bike?

It is obvious you don't understand how our system works, maybe if you saw them in person you would. Instead of trying to explain it to you, I will show you a recent email I recieved. (we get one or two of these every year)

"Hello Garry,

My name is Charles Smith and I have ridden over 25 thousand miles with your 3100 series bags on my 2009 Fat Bob in the last year +. I have to say, they are the best purchase I have made since the bike. They have been with me in terrible rain and hail, in snow and sleet and on the beach in the baking hot sun. All the while, they remained looking brand new with an occasional application of Doc Bailey's. I love how quick and easy they are to attach/detach ( literally like 3-5 seconds per side), I leave them on 90% of the time though because I love having all the extra room for gear or quick stops at the store. Plus they look great and people always comment on them. I have attached a few pics of my bike with the Leather Pro's saddle bags.

So, about a week ago I got forced off the road and was on a very steep downward grade. I layed the bike down in the grass on the left side to avoid running into a brick or concrete structure and it caught on the saddlebag and outer primary cover and high sided. To the 3 other rider's I was with that witnessed the incident ( I was in the lead), and my self kneeling there in the grass. We were all completely amazed that first, I was completely unscratched (wearing just a Tee shirt, jeans and a half helmet) and only my jeans were a little dirty from sliding to a stop. Second and even more amazing, my bike was almost completely undamaged. A bracket on my controls was bent and the right hand grip chrome outer trim ring cracked. EVERYTHING else was unscratched.....save for my saddle bags. They look a little scuffed and a leather buckle strap on the left side broke.

My bike and my legs were protected by your saddlebags (no crash bars....yet), thank you for building not only a nicely finished product, but a very well built and easily serviceable one as well. I was hoping I could send mine to you to be assessed and possibly repaired at my cost. Thank you for taking time to read my story and thank you again for such a great product.

- Charles Smith"

We re-skinned his bag for a little over $100. The brackets weren't even bent.

Garry
Good stuff Garry. Great product.
 
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Old May 25, 2012 | 05:16 PM
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Old May 25, 2012 | 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by TennesseeGene
For my application of the 4000 bags from LP I would need a relocation kit, and for my detachable sideplates I need a relocation kit anyway...I am getting the locks installed to match my ignition key so that I can always know I will be able to replace it if necessary, but with LP I can not do that...Your only left with thicker leather as why they are better, and you may be right, but I am really unsure about that lower arm. Everything seems to lean toward LP and I stated that above...but only if install is seconds without tools and only if they can show why I do not need to worry about the lower part of the bags being unsecured...has to be tough on 2 little bolts to have something swinging on them, or maybe not actually swinging but exerting force in an attempt to swing back and forth has to wear them down.
You dont need a relocation kit for the detachable side plates if your willing to cut about a 1/4 inch off the ends of the side plates. Thats what i did and my detachable sideplates clear the signals just fine.

See my thread. I posted images of the back of the LP bags. The bottoms had a steel support brackets that runs from the top of the back to the bottom of the bag. They are very very strong.
 
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