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I am going on my second season with the 107 and had the heads done this winter. Head temps on mine run 270 on a 91 degree day sunny and humid. Temps stay around 250 - 260 on cold days. That is with a closed loop map and in the cruising range I have the closed loop bias pulled down to 500 just to experiment. Normal bias setting I run is 650.
Build is in my sig.
I noticed you had manual compression releases in your sig line. Did you find that you needed them? I talked to FM and they said they were recommended but not needed, just cheap insurance to put on there in case you did. I'm doing a similar build and I'm still on the fence about getting them or not.
I forgot about that. With these high compression builds you would think they would be necessary. Can I get ACR's on a 07 deluxe. I had the manual before on a previous bike. That was sorta aggrevating.
I noticed you had manual compression releases in your sig line. Did you find that you needed them? I talked to FM and they said they were recommended but not needed, just cheap insurance to put on there in case you did. I'm doing a similar build and I'm still on the fence about getting them or not.
That depends on a few different things. With my 555 cam intake closing at 41 and 10.5 compression I am pushing the edge on cold cranking compression for needing releases. "By the book" I need them, with a well worked timing table you I can get by not using them with no problems. I do use them on HOT days after fuel stops or any other "hot soak" condition just to be easy on the starter, other wise I do not use them. With just the 107 kit and 555 cams at 10.25 compression I never ran into a time that I felt like " I need comp releases".
If I were starting all over and building with the cold crank compression in the 195 to 200 range again yes I would want to have them just for the hot days if nothing else.
On my timing tables in the very upper right corner I run 1 degree then step to 4 degrees timing. This is a touch lower than the base maps I have received yet still more than my factory stock map. This timing adjustment won't fix a need for them but it does ease up on the starter some.
I forgot about that. With these high compression builds you would think they would be necessary. Can I get ACR's on a 07 deluxe. I had the manual before on a previous bike. That was sorta aggrevating.
You would have to have the heads machined for them, get a wiring harness kit (meens relocating some terminals and add in others from harness kit), purchase the releases them selves also.
As for a 2007 I am not sure I know you can on 2010 so someone else will need to jump in and confirm for your year.
Hey SGT Jim what intake and exhaust are you running and what was the reason for the 555 cams. Did you stay with the stock clutch?
Stock clutch with screeming eagle clutch spring will work great if you can handle a little stiffer clutch lever action. If not there are flyweighted kits from a few manufacturers that will keep the lever easy and still hold the torque but there pricey!
My stock spring wouldn't hold even before my heads were installed.
That depends on a few different things. With my 555 cam intake closing at 41 and 10.5 compression I am pushing the edge on cold cranking compression for needing releases. "By the book" I need them, with a well worked timing table you I can get by not using them with no problems. I do use them on HOT days after fuel stops or any other "hot soak" condition just to be easy on the starter, other wise I do not use them. With just the 107 kit and 555 cams at 10.25 compression I never ran into a time that I felt like " I need comp releases".
If I were starting all over and building with the cold crank compression in the 195 to 200 range again yes I would want to have them just for the hot days if nothing else.
On my timing tables in the very upper right corner I run 1 degree then step to 4 degrees timing. This is a touch lower than the base maps I have received yet still more than my factory stock map. This timing adjustment won't fix a need for them but it does ease up on the starter some.
Good to know, I was already leaning towards getting them so you just helped me make up my mind. Might as well do it know while my heads are at the shop. Thanks
I'm running without Compression Releases on the 2010 Heritage, with the build in my sig. It is definately right on the line for needing them, but I've got over 21K on the build and at 28K on the original Starter it was probably a reasonable decision for this build to go without.
Hey SGT Jim what intake and exhaust are you running and what was the reason for the 555 cams. Did you stay with the stock clutch?
The 555's come on sooner in the RPM range than the 777's do (the 888's hadn't been released when i ordered my build, but became available right after i finished it, damnit), and I wanted to get to my maximum power level lower in the RPMs. Total numbers between the 777's and 555's weren't vast enough for me to warrant the 777's as a better choice (for me).
Yes I've stayed with the stock clutch, so far. I want to see how everything holds up for awhile before i start playing with the ideas of a heavier duty clutch, or going chain drive, or any of that fun stuff.
Originally Posted by Uncle Chester
I noticed you had manual compression releases in your sig line. Did you find that you needed them? I talked to FM and they said they were recommended but not needed, just cheap insurance to put on there in case you did. I'm doing a similar build and I'm still on the fence about getting them or not.
For $100, when you're looking at $2k with heads for the whole build, cheap insurance is right.. i got them, and i'm glad i did.. except when i'm not wearing my gloves and i reach down on a hot motor trying to feel around for them..then end up burning my finger tips. haha
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