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The Everything Breakout Thread
Cruiser
Joined: Dec 2013
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From: Denver CO
Still studying this setup, but I guess it'll be worth doing. For me it's gonna be a little bit more complicated since I'll have to find a chrome left front caliper already chrome plated (or a stock one to have chromed) since I'm having chrome nearly everywhere on my BO.
For the technical point of view it'll be helpful to have the opinion of someone more prepared than me (e.g. 24V) who can say something more on this setup and if there'll be any issue with ABS (I guess not)
Btw, a few days ago I bought the 25mm front flush mount axle too!
For the technical point of view it'll be helpful to have the opinion of someone more prepared than me (e.g. 24V) who can say something more on this setup and if there'll be any issue with ABS (I guess not)
Btw, a few days ago I bought the 25mm front flush mount axle too!
Last edited by jweinsteiger; May 4, 2014 at 12:15 AM.
Cruiser
Joined: Dec 2013
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From: Denver CO
Keep us updated on how that works I am very interested in this upgrade and having a NON ABS bike it should be a breeze I am guessing just caliper and pads...
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From: Stuttgart, Germany
I for my part would guess that the ABS would need to be recalibrated to efficiently work along with the other caliper. I can't imagine changing the braking characteristics significantly like with a more effective caliper would not affect the ABS.
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From: Lethbridge, Alberta Canada
IF the ABS is "simple" and activates when EITHER wheel starts to lock up, there is going to be a problem: The front brake will now be able to apply way more braking, making the "performance gap" between the front brake and the rear brake even larger than it already is. The problem is that the rear brake ALREADY will lock up the rear wheel long before the front brake locks the front brake up, because of the severe weight transfer that occurs when you brake a bike hard enough to activate ABS. So, even with a "better" brake on the front, the ABS would activate, and the new "extra" braking power on the front brake would not actually ever be fully "accessible", because the ABS has already activated because the rear wheel is locking up way sooner than the front.
IF however the ABS system is smart enough to apply pulsing to ONLY the wheel brake whose wheel is actually locking up, then a stronger front brake MIGHT help, because it is the front brake that does most of the actual braking. The limiting factor though is likely to be the tire coefficient of friction. If the stock front brake can already lock up the front wheel, then replacing it with a stronger brake doesn't improve the braking. You can't apply more brake when the tire is already starting to skid. The ABS won't LET you.
IF the tire coefficient is high enough though (really sticky tire), then the improved front brake can actually help, as the ABS can continue applying braking, beyond what the "lower friction" tire could handle before lockup, until the tire starts to skid.
Which type of ABS do our Breakouts have?
Jim G
Cruiser
Joined: Dec 2013
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From: Denver CO
I think it depends on how the ABS system installed on the Breakout actually work.
IF the ABS is "simple" and activates when EITHER wheel starts to lock up, there is going to be a problem: The front brake will now be able to apply way more braking, making the "performance gap" between the front brake and the rear brake even larger than it already is. The problem is that the rear brake ALREADY will lock up the rear wheel long before the front brake locks the front brake up, because of the severe weight transfer that occurs when you brake a bike hard enough to activate ABS. So, even with a "better" brake on the front, the ABS would activate, and the new "extra" braking power on the front brake would not actually ever be fully "accessible", because the ABS has already activated because the rear wheel is locking up way sooner than the front.
IF however the ABS system is smart enough to apply pulsing to ONLY the wheel brake whose wheel is actually locking up, then a stronger front brake MIGHT help, because it is the front brake that does most of the actual braking. The limiting factor though is likely to be the tire coefficient of friction. If the stock front brake can already lock up the front wheel, then replacing it with a stronger brake doesn't improve the braking. You can't apply more brake when the tire is already starting to skid. The ABS won't LET you.
IF the tire coefficient is high enough though (really sticky tire), then the improved front brake can actually help, as the ABS can continue applying braking, beyond what the "lower friction" tire could handle before lockup, until the tire starts to skid.
Which type of ABS do our Breakouts have?
Jim G
IF the ABS is "simple" and activates when EITHER wheel starts to lock up, there is going to be a problem: The front brake will now be able to apply way more braking, making the "performance gap" between the front brake and the rear brake even larger than it already is. The problem is that the rear brake ALREADY will lock up the rear wheel long before the front brake locks the front brake up, because of the severe weight transfer that occurs when you brake a bike hard enough to activate ABS. So, even with a "better" brake on the front, the ABS would activate, and the new "extra" braking power on the front brake would not actually ever be fully "accessible", because the ABS has already activated because the rear wheel is locking up way sooner than the front.
IF however the ABS system is smart enough to apply pulsing to ONLY the wheel brake whose wheel is actually locking up, then a stronger front brake MIGHT help, because it is the front brake that does most of the actual braking. The limiting factor though is likely to be the tire coefficient of friction. If the stock front brake can already lock up the front wheel, then replacing it with a stronger brake doesn't improve the braking. You can't apply more brake when the tire is already starting to skid. The ABS won't LET you.
IF the tire coefficient is high enough though (really sticky tire), then the improved front brake can actually help, as the ABS can continue applying braking, beyond what the "lower friction" tire could handle before lockup, until the tire starts to skid.
Which type of ABS do our Breakouts have?
Jim G
Not 100% sure but I believe the BO ABS uses a sensor to detect wheel lockup so it may be of the smarter variety (anyone know for sure?)
Last edited by jweinsteiger; May 4, 2014 at 12:17 AM.
Intermediate
Joined: Feb 2014
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From: Tulsa
Jim, I think you're over thinking it. it's just math. If the frt master is unchanged and you add area buy having more total piston area in the caliper it simply takes a lighter touch with your brake lever to get the same results. Think of it as leverage.
the front and rear have different inputs form your foot and hand. with seat time you will calibrate your touch to balance the braking system. you are right that if you already have sufficient hand strength to readily lock up the front wheel, there is no gain to be had other than the amount of "effort/Squeeze" needed to obtain lockup. the system should work regardless, when it detects a locked wheel, it'll pulse. I don't know if it pulses both when one wheeel locks or not.... but this aspect is unchanged.... it's just the input effort that changes.... and one might feel good about the upgrade, but a locked front tire is a locked front tire whether its done with stock squeeze or less squeeze and more surface area from a bigger caliper.
the front and rear have different inputs form your foot and hand. with seat time you will calibrate your touch to balance the braking system. you are right that if you already have sufficient hand strength to readily lock up the front wheel, there is no gain to be had other than the amount of "effort/Squeeze" needed to obtain lockup. the system should work regardless, when it detects a locked wheel, it'll pulse. I don't know if it pulses both when one wheeel locks or not.... but this aspect is unchanged.... it's just the input effort that changes.... and one might feel good about the upgrade, but a locked front tire is a locked front tire whether its done with stock squeeze or less squeeze and more surface area from a bigger caliper.
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From: Great State of Canada
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Tourer
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 327
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From: Fairfax Virginia
Got my powder coated parts back today and am pumped how they turned out, I will post some pics once I have the bike back together tomorrow
I pc'd
rear struts,
Strut spacers
license plate bracket
Turn signal housings
Headlight ring
Chain guard and bolts
Seat bolts
Tank console
Horn cover
I pc'd
rear struts,
Strut spacers
license plate bracket
Turn signal housings
Headlight ring
Chain guard and bolts
Seat bolts
Tank console
Horn cover
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Road Master
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,126
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From: PA
Has anyone found a decent horizontal oil cooler that will fit the Breakout with minimum customization? I know there are vertical ones, but I don't want that. If anyone has a source for one, I'd greatly appreciate it.
Advanced
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 56
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From: Ohio
I like the look of this faring but when I called Memphis shades they said they did not yet have a mounting kit for the breakout, are you happy with how yours is mounted?