Stage 1?
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Stage 1?
OK, on a 2006 1200 custom carb, what do you all consider a Stage 1? As far as I know it's the Mufflers, AC, and ignition. Is the ignition changereally needed? What would I gain buy changing out the ignition besides a higher rev limiter?I could care less at what the engine will cut out at. I am installing the AC this week and having it dyno'd. If I "NEED" to change the ignition, would I be better to change it before having it dyno'd or does that really matter? Thanks all. So far, this is the best forums I can find the true answers without getting the run around.
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RE: Stage 1?
Could be wrong but I thought that Stage 1 was mufflers, A/C, and Rejet. I didn't think you did anything to the ignition at Stage 1 with a carbeurated bike. If you do a Forum Search for Stage 1 you'll find all the info you could possibly want.
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RE: Stage 1?
Around here on the forum, on carbed bikes, most people consider Stage 1 to be pipes, rejet and A/C. Technically however, that's Stage .5. Stage 1 adds to Stage .5 a programmable ignition module that not only permits raising the rev limit, but allows custom mapping of the ignition timing curve. The current SE ignition modules only raise the rev limit and do nothing to improve on the stock ignition timing.
There are several mfg's. of programmable ignition modules, Daytona Twin Tec, Crane, etc. If you go with one of these you will want it installed prior to or at the same time as a dyno tune since the timing map will be customized based on the dyno results. Do not however expect your local HD dealer to be able to competently handle this on their dyno. You will want a professional dyno shop for this one.
There are several mfg's. of programmable ignition modules, Daytona Twin Tec, Crane, etc. If you go with one of these you will want it installed prior to or at the same time as a dyno tune since the timing map will be customized based on the dyno results. Do not however expect your local HD dealer to be able to competently handle this on their dyno. You will want a professional dyno shop for this one.
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RE: Stage 1?
ORIGINAL: cHarley
Around here on the forum, on carbed bikes, most people consider Stage 1 to be pipes, rejet and A/C. Technically however, that's Stage .5. Stage 1 adds to Stage .5 a programmable ignition module that not only permits raising the rev limit, but allows custom mapping of the ignition timing curve. The current SE ignition modules only raise the rev limit and do nothing to improve on the stock ignition timing.
There are several mfg's. of programmable ignition modules, Daytona Twin Tec, Crane, etc. If you go with one of these you will want it installed prior to or at the same time as a dyno tune since the timing map will be customized based on the dyno results. Do not however expect your local HD dealer to be able to competently handle this on their dyno. You will want a professional dyno shop for this one.
Around here on the forum, on carbed bikes, most people consider Stage 1 to be pipes, rejet and A/C. Technically however, that's Stage .5. Stage 1 adds to Stage .5 a programmable ignition module that not only permits raising the rev limit, but allows custom mapping of the ignition timing curve. The current SE ignition modules only raise the rev limit and do nothing to improve on the stock ignition timing.
There are several mfg's. of programmable ignition modules, Daytona Twin Tec, Crane, etc. If you go with one of these you will want it installed prior to or at the same time as a dyno tune since the timing map will be customized based on the dyno results. Do not however expect your local HD dealer to be able to competently handle this on their dyno. You will want a professional dyno shop for this one.
I'd just like to add for your edification that adding an aftermarket AC and pipes/muffler will give little to no performance increase without rejetting the carb - this is important! With the increased airflow through an aftermarket AC you will be turning a lean running machine into a VERY lean running machine. You MUST increase the fuel flow (larger jet(s)) in your carb to maintain an appropriate air/fuel mixture.
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RE: Stage 1?
ORIGINAL: SportyPig
Hell, I don't think my bike would have even started after the pipes and air cleaner if I hadn't done the carb work.
Hell, I don't think my bike would have even started after the pipes and air cleaner if I hadn't done the carb work.
Even if it runs like crap. I only have 2 miles to get to the dyno shop.And when it's at the shop, it will be rejetted for best performance. Even if I have to run it with the enricher on, it's worth the drive to get the dyno done. Even if I need to put stock on, bring the tools, and install it when I get there. 
[/align][/align]And no, this work will NOT be done by a dealer. A real good dyno tech that used to be a dealer mechanic. But decided that he could do real work and not screw anyone. That's what he tells yeah when you get a chance to talk to the guy.[/align][/align]Thanks for everyones help. [/align]
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RE: Stage 1?
Made the appointment for Tuesday. Should be interesting how it turns out. Wish me luck. 
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RE: Stage 1?
Well, I think he knew his stuff. They where amazed that with just the slipons and SE AC, they thought I did some other stuff to the bike. [/align]
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