Stage I- How do I know?
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Just bought an 06 1200C. Im a first time harley owner (and don't know very much about bikes) but am learning fast.
Anyway, The deal with the stealer was that he would do A Stage I upgrade with Screamin Eagle II pipes.
Bought the sporty at 3PM on a Friday afternoon and it was ready on Saturday.
The question I have is what actually needs to be done parts and labor wise for a stage I upgrade other than switching the pipes?
I got home with my new bike and then noticed the air cleaner had the "1200C" cover and not the "SE" cover. I called and they agreed to switch out the cover. So, Im suspicious about the stage I upgrade.
First, what ever labor had to be done didn't take too long.
Second,They didn't switch the a/c cover which leads me to believe that nothing was done there.
What DOES need to be done there anyway?
How do I know that a stage I was done? How can I tell?
Looking for knowledge, input and answers from you guys before I go back to the stealer again.
Thanks for taking the time to reply.
Tim
Anyway, The deal with the stealer was that he would do A Stage I upgrade with Screamin Eagle II pipes.
Bought the sporty at 3PM on a Friday afternoon and it was ready on Saturday.
The question I have is what actually needs to be done parts and labor wise for a stage I upgrade other than switching the pipes?
I got home with my new bike and then noticed the air cleaner had the "1200C" cover and not the "SE" cover. I called and they agreed to switch out the cover. So, Im suspicious about the stage I upgrade.
First, what ever labor had to be done didn't take too long.
Second,They didn't switch the a/c cover which leads me to believe that nothing was done there.
What DOES need to be done there anyway?
How do I know that a stage I was done? How can I tell?
Looking for knowledge, input and answers from you guys before I go back to the stealer again.
Thanks for taking the time to reply.
Tim
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RE: Stage I- How do I know?
Tim. I am going to go to the HD website and see if I can find part numbers. The stage I on my bike was nothing more than the AC, pipes and download for the FI. I know that my AC kit didn't come with a new cover. It was the backing plate and filter.
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RE: Stage I- How do I know?
The "Stage 1" should include the pipes, an upgraded aircleaner (not the cover) and a re-jetting of the carb. The SE aircleaner assembly is easy to spot, as it is open in the rear to allow more airflow.
The original aircleaner is enclosed, behind the cover, with a black plastic case. The only opening is on the bottom. The SE aircleaner, which they probably installed is open behind the cover. As far as the "ham can" that's only the cover of the aircleaner and they may have just put it back on to give you the stock look. I know that on the Twin Cam 88, the SE aircleaner cover is re-used. There is an SE trim ring which can go on over the standard ring if one so chooses. I'm not positive about the Sportster regarding trim rings or decals.
Look at your bill and see what parts they supposedly installed. I bet you are OK.
The original aircleaner is enclosed, behind the cover, with a black plastic case. The only opening is on the bottom. The SE aircleaner, which they probably installed is open behind the cover. As far as the "ham can" that's only the cover of the aircleaner and they may have just put it back on to give you the stock look. I know that on the Twin Cam 88, the SE aircleaner cover is re-used. There is an SE trim ring which can go on over the standard ring if one so chooses. I'm not positive about the Sportster regarding trim rings or decals.
Look at your bill and see what parts they supposedly installed. I bet you are OK.
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Thanks for your quick replies.
There is nothing on the bill of sale to indicate an SE upgrade as it was a last minute add on as part of "the deal" (thanks to my reading on this forum!). I didn't know if there were manual adjustments for an SE upgrade that are needed that would require more than a half hour ( Like carbeurator work for example). Also, I'm curious- what is the so-called "computer download" that is supposedly needed for this upgrade? What happens and where on the bike is this done?
Thanks.
Tim
There is nothing on the bill of sale to indicate an SE upgrade as it was a last minute add on as part of "the deal" (thanks to my reading on this forum!). I didn't know if there were manual adjustments for an SE upgrade that are needed that would require more than a half hour ( Like carbeurator work for example). Also, I'm curious- what is the so-called "computer download" that is supposedly needed for this upgrade? What happens and where on the bike is this done?
Thanks.
Tim
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The "computer dowload" is for fuel enjected bikes. That wouldn't be needed for your 1200. There isn't really that much labor involved for the Stage I upgrade. Of course it took me an entire day to swap out my pipes, but it certainly wouldn't take a dealer (that does those type of things everday) very long at all. I just had to get over the learning curve. I could probably swap pipes on a Sporty in about 45 minutes now. And the dealer would be even quicker.
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RE: Stage I- How do I know?
Tim,
Others may correct me here, but for a full Stage 1, you need to swap out the stock mufflers with open flow exaust's such as the SE II's, a high flow air filter kit, a new ICM (ignition control module swap because the stock will not let the bike rev to it's capacity), and last but not least, a re-jet of the carb on 06 and older models as the 07's are fuel injected.
I've got a Stage .75, as I have performed all of the above to my 06 except the ICM swap, which I'll do soon.
Like others said, the dealer probably did you right and performed the upgrades, but I bet you didnt get the ICM swap. Easy to spot the new pipes and open flow breather, but you'll have to check to make sure your carb is rejetted.
just my 2 cents which aint worth much...
Enjoy your new machine!
Others may correct me here, but for a full Stage 1, you need to swap out the stock mufflers with open flow exaust's such as the SE II's, a high flow air filter kit, a new ICM (ignition control module swap because the stock will not let the bike rev to it's capacity), and last but not least, a re-jet of the carb on 06 and older models as the 07's are fuel injected.
I've got a Stage .75, as I have performed all of the above to my 06 except the ICM swap, which I'll do soon.
Like others said, the dealer probably did you right and performed the upgrades, but I bet you didnt get the ICM swap. Easy to spot the new pipes and open flow breather, but you'll have to check to make sure your carb is rejetted.
just my 2 cents which aint worth much...
Enjoy your new machine!
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Is there any pics posted to show differance between "stock" and "hi flow" ac ?
diference in backing plates? and the "ecm" module"
I too was told by the dealer that I had a stage 1 updgrade, now I am curiuous as to what I actually have
diference in backing plates? and the "ecm" module"
I too was told by the dealer that I had a stage 1 updgrade, now I am curiuous as to what I actually have
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How does one verify that the carb is "re-jetted"?
What the heck does "re-jetting the carb" even mean?
Thanks.
Tim
What the heck does "re-jetting the carb" even mean?
Thanks.
Tim
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RE: Stage I- How do I know?
These web sites:
http://www.americanrider.com/output.cfm?id=1021951
http://www.sportster.org/tech/basic-...rley-tax.shtml
are ones that I found to give me information on what all of this is about. Long story short, the idea is to switch out, at a minimum, the needle that feeds fuel into the carb during off-idle acceleration since that is where a Sportster can feel a little anemic at times. The American Rider article has interesting info on exactly which needle to change out.
I have to admit that the one trick I've seen to forum posts I've seen after a reject is the fact that some people report a loss in gas milage after reject, some report no change, and some report an increase in gas milage. My dealer mentioned an increase in gas milage after the rejet (which I plan to get at my 1000 mile checkup), which would be cool. An increase in off-idle performance AND an increase in mpg would be very nice.
As to how to verify it is rejeted, well, I would have to imagine it will just be a matter of comparing previous performance to new performance. That's part of the reason I didn't buy the rejet/AC upgrade when I bought the bike. I wanted to ride it for 1000 miles in its stock state so that I will have something to compare my performance to after the rejet.
I only have about 400 miles to go. I'm really looking forward to getting the upgrade, though I still have to decide on my pipes. I'm still very torn between V&H slip-ons (for ease of installation and maintenance), or a 2 into 1 pipe.
http://www.americanrider.com/output.cfm?id=1021951
http://www.sportster.org/tech/basic-...rley-tax.shtml
are ones that I found to give me information on what all of this is about. Long story short, the idea is to switch out, at a minimum, the needle that feeds fuel into the carb during off-idle acceleration since that is where a Sportster can feel a little anemic at times. The American Rider article has interesting info on exactly which needle to change out.
I have to admit that the one trick I've seen to forum posts I've seen after a reject is the fact that some people report a loss in gas milage after reject, some report no change, and some report an increase in gas milage. My dealer mentioned an increase in gas milage after the rejet (which I plan to get at my 1000 mile checkup), which would be cool. An increase in off-idle performance AND an increase in mpg would be very nice.
As to how to verify it is rejeted, well, I would have to imagine it will just be a matter of comparing previous performance to new performance. That's part of the reason I didn't buy the rejet/AC upgrade when I bought the bike. I wanted to ride it for 1000 miles in its stock state so that I will have something to compare my performance to after the rejet.
I only have about 400 miles to go. I'm really looking forward to getting the upgrade, though I still have to decide on my pipes. I'm still very torn between V&H slip-ons (for ease of installation and maintenance), or a 2 into 1 pipe.
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