EPA Strikes Again!

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Sep 21, 2012 | 10:27 AM

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Thumper26

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Originally Posted by barrygreen

Correct me if I am wrong but what the they are doing this for is to prevent you from getting the wrong mixture. If that is possible from a pump with different grades and one hose then we have not been getting the correct octane levels for years.
I totally agree with scuba and his math, and I believe thumper was just pointing out that it is stupid that the EPA is going to require a min purchase to make sure you don't get too much ethanol.
Oh an +1on xl50....just pump and go

I have no problem with Scuba10jdl's math either, but I will always stay away from E-15. And you are close to being on point with your comment, "I believe thumper was just pointing out that it is stupid that the EPA is going to require a min purchase to make sure you don't get too much ethanol". See my post previous above - we must have been typing at the same time!

Sep 21, 2012 | 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Thumper26

However, the even larger point has not been picked up by anyone who has posted so far, and that astounds me. Let me simply say, "eat your broccoli, sooner or later it will be the law".

Good point. Good thing we get a chance to go vote those ******** who come up with this **** out of office this fall.

And E15 is a horrible fuel. E10 is acceptable, but that extra 5% just makes it ****.

Sep 21, 2012 | 10:47 AM

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USAFANG67

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Originally Posted by Thumper26

This may have been posted elsewhere in the forums but I felt the need to bring it the attention of all Sportster owners - just in case anyone is not aware of this latest debacle that might greatly affect our bikes and existence:

http://sensenbrenner.house.gov/news/...umentID=308813

How about all voters "greatly effect how much longer 'O' stays in existence in the White House"

Sep 21, 2012 | 11:14 AM

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Thumper26

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Originally Posted by Scuba10jdl

I am in total agreement with your comments and glad you got my point; however, the EPA is comprised of career bureaucrats of a specific ideology, and we need a congressional reign-in of their powers which are liberty-depriving and seemingly unlimited.

Sep 21, 2012 | 12:49 PM

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USAFANG67

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I just installed a Power Commander V on my HD 2012 Sportster 1200C and will try the E10 for a couple of fill ups to check MPG's. Then I will do the same using non E10 to see if there is any difference in MPG's.
Before I installed the PCV I was getting 2-3 MPG's better gas mileage using non E10.

Sep 21, 2012 | 05:59 PM

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RAL

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Originally Posted by Thumper26

Its not that e10 is good fuel, its just less shitty than e15. You are spot on about the EPA.

RAL

Sep 21, 2012 | 06:42 PM

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InsomniaInc

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Seriously, this thread again?

Politics as usual. Keep us fighting over non-issues so they can do whatever they want while our backs are turned.

Last edited by InsomniaInc; Sep 21, 2012 at 06:56 PM.

Sep 21, 2012 | 08:05 PM

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Mark_H

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Originally Posted by Scuba10jdl

Ok, well the average gas tank line holds 0.14 US gal in it. So if you were to pump gas into a bone dry 3.3gal peanut tank, here is how it would break down:

Pure E10: You would end up with 10% ethanol in your tank.
Pure E15: You would end up with 15% ethanol in your tank.
E15 first(.14gal in hose)/E10 second: This would wind up with 10.21% ethanol.

So as you can see, 0.21% change in mixture is NOT going to affect your bike whatsoever. Even if you only pump a gallon at a time, you still won't see any more of an increase in ethanol percentage. It's all in your head.

Your math is correct. What I'm worried about has nothing to do with the math. What it has to do with is the known proven fact that even 10% ethanol is bad of our engines. I've pulled them apart and seen the difference and the damage that the ethanol is doing. All the bitching about pinging on the motors and carbon build ups can be attributed to ethanol. It has been proven that 10% ethanol cause 4 times the carbon on your valves and in the combustion chamber. What is Harley doing to fix new engines that are pinging? They are cleaning the carbon out.

When they first came out with this 10% ethanol crap it was no big deal because you could find gas stations that didn't have it. Out here in Utah it now impossible to find 91 octane without ethanol. There are a very few places that have 88 octane ethanol free but that does us no good.

Now they are bringing E15 to the pumps. No big deal huh? Don't buy it? What will you do in 2 years from now when you don't have a choice because its all that is available. They need to stop feeding us this crap now. Your going to be adding $5 additives every time you fill up your bike, or your gas can for your lawn mower.