Electrical Problems Suck
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When I get home this afternoon, I intend to pull that negative cable and clean the connections.
Now that I think about it, when I was trying to start it, I don't recall seeing the neutral light on. It's funny that it wouldn't be on because I pushed or rolled the bike all the way home, which would have been all but impossible in gear.
Now that I think about it, when I was trying to start it, I don't recall seeing the neutral light on. It's funny that it wouldn't be on because I pushed or rolled the bike all the way home, which would have been all but impossible in gear.
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Okay, so it wasn't that the bike was in neutral. When placed into neutral, the starter still doesn't initiate.
I checked the engine diagnostics. I do have a b1005 and a p1010 code. The b1005 is because of the new combo speedo/tach but shouldn't stop the starter from working (and hasn't in the past). The p1010 indicates that the ecm is missing a code.
I tried the ecm password learn procedure, but there are two issues. First, the starter doesn't operate at all, so there's one step that can't be completed, requiring the engine to start and then stall. Second, it's a half-hour long procedure with the engine turned on the entire time. The battery just doesn't have enough life for that.
I'm recharging the battery now. When I try this procedure again, I'm going to pull the fuse for the headlamp. That should give me enough juice to go the full half-hour.
As for the starter, once I get battery charged and reinstalled, I'm going to try jumping the starter directly from the + terminal to the solenoid stud, and see whether that produces anything. (Hopefully, it won't produce magic blue smoke that indicates fried wiring.)
If I get the solenoid and starter to work that way. I will next focus my energies on the starter switch and/or TSM/TSSM.
I checked the engine diagnostics. I do have a b1005 and a p1010 code. The b1005 is because of the new combo speedo/tach but shouldn't stop the starter from working (and hasn't in the past). The p1010 indicates that the ecm is missing a code.
I tried the ecm password learn procedure, but there are two issues. First, the starter doesn't operate at all, so there's one step that can't be completed, requiring the engine to start and then stall. Second, it's a half-hour long procedure with the engine turned on the entire time. The battery just doesn't have enough life for that.
I'm recharging the battery now. When I try this procedure again, I'm going to pull the fuse for the headlamp. That should give me enough juice to go the full half-hour.
As for the starter, once I get battery charged and reinstalled, I'm going to try jumping the starter directly from the + terminal to the solenoid stud, and see whether that produces anything. (Hopefully, it won't produce magic blue smoke that indicates fried wiring.)
If I get the solenoid and starter to work that way. I will next focus my energies on the starter switch and/or TSM/TSSM.
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Okay, so it wasn't that the bike was in neutral. When placed into neutral, the starter still doesn't initiate.
I checked the engine diagnostics. I do have a b1005 and a p1010 code. The b1005 is because of the new combo speedo/tach but shouldn't stop the starter from working (and hasn't in the past). The p1010 indicates that the ecm is missing a code.
I tried the ecm password learn procedure, but there are two issues. First, the starter doesn't operate at all, so there's one step that can't be completed, requiring the engine to start and then stall. Second, it's a half-hour long procedure with the engine turned on the entire time. The battery just doesn't have enough life for that.
I'm recharging the battery now. When I try this procedure again, I'm going to pull the fuse for the headlamp. That should give me enough juice to go the full half-hour.
I checked the engine diagnostics. I do have a b1005 and a p1010 code. The b1005 is because of the new combo speedo/tach but shouldn't stop the starter from working (and hasn't in the past). The p1010 indicates that the ecm is missing a code.
I tried the ecm password learn procedure, but there are two issues. First, the starter doesn't operate at all, so there's one step that can't be completed, requiring the engine to start and then stall. Second, it's a half-hour long procedure with the engine turned on the entire time. The battery just doesn't have enough life for that.
I'm recharging the battery now. When I try this procedure again, I'm going to pull the fuse for the headlamp. That should give me enough juice to go the full half-hour.
The P1010 code = "Missing Password". Once you get through the "learn" procedure, you should be fine.
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I verified that the problem with the starter is not the starter itself. I jumped it direct from the battery and it spun up.
I also tried to the "teach" the ecm the password, but that procedure failed. I'll try again this weekend.
In the interim, I'm going to focus my time and attention on the starter issue. Once I get that working, I think the ecm problem will fall into place. I'm probably going to trace the entire electrical path for the starter circuit with the test light and multimeter.
I also tried to the "teach" the ecm the password, but that procedure failed. I'll try again this weekend.
In the interim, I'm going to focus my time and attention on the starter issue. Once I get that working, I think the ecm problem will fall into place. I'm probably going to trace the entire electrical path for the starter circuit with the test light and multimeter.
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I replaced the TSSM with a TSM, did the password learn procedure and now the bike is working. I'm thinking the problem either was a bad TSSM or some other problem with the bike's security system.
Note: As soon as I put in the TSM and a freshly recharged battery, the starter motor started working, although the bike would die out after just a few seconds -- the hallmark of a missing ECM/TSM or ECM/TSSM password.
Note: As soon as I put in the TSM and a freshly recharged battery, the starter motor started working, although the bike would die out after just a few seconds -- the hallmark of a missing ECM/TSM or ECM/TSSM password.
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