Screamin' Eagle ECM reflash advice
Road Master
Joined: Aug 2011
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From: victoria bc
It's a well known fact that the SE uses a laptop to tune with...never has been a denial of that. If you think riding around with a tv screen on your handlebars at all times serves you best, then that's your choice...but don't think it is the end all be all of tuning aids. If you really understand how efi works it takes very little time to get it right. You can keep going as long as you wish, but as stated before you won't accomplish any more in the end regardless of the tuner you choose...you might however "think" you know more about it.
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So what if it has a little screen to mount on your bars? Like I said earlier, if that appeals to you great. I bought my bike for the bare bones look. I don't need to know all the other info it displays. If i want a tach I will get a analog one and mount it.
I can admit that the PV is a good tool and an excellent product but to say that it is so much better than another product without knowing much about the other product ( from the questions you are asking you obviously know next to nothing about the SEPST, yes it data logs, yes it gives all the readings, yes it displays engine codes, yes you can adjust any variable that the PV does, no it has no alarms (why the average rider would want alarms is beyond me) and on and on...), maybe you should read up on a product BMCsteve before you start telling us how poor it compares to your PV.
Last edited by Mich; Jun 20, 2013 at 12:03 PM.
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Joined: Jun 2011
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From: Gulf Breeze, FL
Not to start a "Tuner War" here lol, but I might add that if you are tuning with the stock narrow band O2 sensors regardless of tuner brand you are getting very little benefit. You must have wide band sensor(s) to fully realize the potential. I use a separate AFR logger with wide band O2 to check/finalize all my tunes...after that I run no O2 sensors at all.
Last edited by rickss69; Jun 20, 2013 at 12:14 PM.
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So what if it has a little screen to mount on your bars? Like I said earlier, if that appeals to you great. I bought my bike for the bare bones look. I don't need to know all the other info it displays. If i want a tach I will get a analog one and mount it.
I can admit that the PV is a good tool and an excellent product but to say that it is so much better than another product without knowing much about the other product ( from the questions you are asking you obviously know next to nothing about the SEPST, yes it data logs, yes it gives all the readings, yes it displays engine codes, yes you can adjust any variable that the PV does, no it has no alarms (why the average rider would want alarms is beyond me) and on and on...), maybe you should read up on a product BMCsteve before you start telling us how poor it compares to your PV.
So what if it has a little screen to mount on your bars? Like I said earlier, if that appeals to you great. I bought my bike for the bare bones look. I don't need to know all the other info it displays. If i want a tach I will get a analog one and mount it.
I can admit that the PV is a good tool and an excellent product but to say that it is so much better than another product without knowing much about the other product ( from the questions you are asking you obviously know next to nothing about the SEPST, yes it data logs, yes it gives all the readings, yes it displays engine codes, yes you can adjust any variable that the PV does, no it has no alarms (why the average rider would want alarms is beyond me) and on and on...), maybe you should read up on a product BMCsteve before you start telling us how poor it compares to your PV.
I guess for me just the simple fact that I can do this all on the road instead of going home to hook it up to a laptop, hit the road to try the tune, come home to adjust a table, back on the road all the while not being able to see it in real time is a deal breaker for me.
It might not be to others but that alone makes it far superior in my book
Road Master
Joined: Aug 2011
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From: victoria bc
Fair enough. Different devices for different tastes. 90% of the time I dont have it on my bike. I just like to do things on the road instead of heading home to plug it into a lap top. Also, if I'm tuning things it's nice to see whats going on with my bike in real time, anytime.
I guess for me just the simple fact that I can do this all on the road instead of going home to hook it up to a laptop, hit the road to try the tune, come home to adjust a table, back on the road all the while not being able to see it in real time is a deal breaker for me.
It might not be to others but that alone makes it far superior in my book
I guess for me just the simple fact that I can do this all on the road instead of going home to hook it up to a laptop, hit the road to try the tune, come home to adjust a table, back on the road all the while not being able to see it in real time is a deal breaker for me.
It might not be to others but that alone makes it far superior in my book
Road Captain
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 640
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From: Denver
I have an aversion to all things Cult of Harley-Davidson so I went with the PowerVision.
I am sure that in the right hands the SEPST is fine but it seems to me most people get it because they want the dealership to do everything. I've talked to loads of Harley guys who have the sentiment, "I don't want to know how anything works, I just want to sign my credit card receipt and ride away." The SEPST and other Harley tuners (like the old SERT) are the only ones you can really do that with because the dealership won't touch anything else.
Everyone here agrees that the SEPST and PV can give a very similar, if not identical end result, the difference comes to user experience/interface. The PV can give a pretty good result without much effort using maps supplied from FuelMoto. My bike runs excellent with their map compared to the FuelPak I had, which is to be expected because ECU flash > piggyback. The SEPST is probably easier to get perfect because you can just pay the dealer to get it right for you.
The PV does not have the benefit of being able to pay Harley-Davidson $275 for a perfect tune. You have to do it yourself if you want it to be perfect. No predefined map will be perfect. Ever. EVER. Say it with me. NO PREDEFINED MAP WILL EVER BE PERFECT. It's simply not possible.
In the end both can do what you want/need. You just have to decide how you want to get there. If you're a DIYer then you have to weigh all the options. If you're a credit card signer then get the SEPST and a tune from the dealer.
I am sure that in the right hands the SEPST is fine but it seems to me most people get it because they want the dealership to do everything. I've talked to loads of Harley guys who have the sentiment, "I don't want to know how anything works, I just want to sign my credit card receipt and ride away." The SEPST and other Harley tuners (like the old SERT) are the only ones you can really do that with because the dealership won't touch anything else.
Everyone here agrees that the SEPST and PV can give a very similar, if not identical end result, the difference comes to user experience/interface. The PV can give a pretty good result without much effort using maps supplied from FuelMoto. My bike runs excellent with their map compared to the FuelPak I had, which is to be expected because ECU flash > piggyback. The SEPST is probably easier to get perfect because you can just pay the dealer to get it right for you.
The PV does not have the benefit of being able to pay Harley-Davidson $275 for a perfect tune. You have to do it yourself if you want it to be perfect. No predefined map will be perfect. Ever. EVER. Say it with me. NO PREDEFINED MAP WILL EVER BE PERFECT. It's simply not possible.
In the end both can do what you want/need. You just have to decide how you want to get there. If you're a DIYer then you have to weigh all the options. If you're a credit card signer then get the SEPST and a tune from the dealer.
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Joined: Jun 2011
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From: Gulf Breeze, FL
I have an aversion to all things Cult of Harley-Davidson so I went with the PowerVision.
I am sure that in the right hands the SEPST is fine but it seems to me most people get it because they want the dealership to do everything. I've talked to loads of Harley guys who have the sentiment, "I don't want to know how anything works, I just want to sign my credit card receipt and ride away." The SEPST and other Harley tuners (like the old SERT) are the only ones you can really do that with because the dealership won't touch anything else.
Everyone here agrees that the SEPST and PV can give a very similar, if not identical end result, the difference comes to user experience/interface. The PV can give a pretty good result without much effort using maps supplied from FuelMoto. My bike runs excellent with their map compared to the FuelPak I had, which is to be expected because ECU flash > piggyback. The SEPST is probably easier to get perfect because you can just pay the dealer to get it right for you.
The PV does not have the benefit of being able to pay Harley-Davidson $275 for a perfect tune. You have to do it yourself if you want it to be perfect. No predefined map will be perfect. Ever. EVER. Say it with me. NO PREDEFINED MAP WILL EVER BE PERFECT. It's simply not possible.
In the end both can do what you want/need. You just have to decide how you want to get there. If you're a DIYer then you have to weigh all the options. If you're a credit card signer then get the SEPST and a tune from the dealer.
I am sure that in the right hands the SEPST is fine but it seems to me most people get it because they want the dealership to do everything. I've talked to loads of Harley guys who have the sentiment, "I don't want to know how anything works, I just want to sign my credit card receipt and ride away." The SEPST and other Harley tuners (like the old SERT) are the only ones you can really do that with because the dealership won't touch anything else.
Everyone here agrees that the SEPST and PV can give a very similar, if not identical end result, the difference comes to user experience/interface. The PV can give a pretty good result without much effort using maps supplied from FuelMoto. My bike runs excellent with their map compared to the FuelPak I had, which is to be expected because ECU flash > piggyback. The SEPST is probably easier to get perfect because you can just pay the dealer to get it right for you.
The PV does not have the benefit of being able to pay Harley-Davidson $275 for a perfect tune. You have to do it yourself if you want it to be perfect. No predefined map will be perfect. Ever. EVER. Say it with me. NO PREDEFINED MAP WILL EVER BE PERFECT. It's simply not possible.
In the end both can do what you want/need. You just have to decide how you want to get there. If you're a DIYer then you have to weigh all the options. If you're a credit card signer then get the SEPST and a tune from the dealer.
Road Captain
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 640
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From: Denver
H-D did not create the SE tuner...they simply bought the right to affix their name to it lol. You may have mixed up your facts. If you don't know what you are doing most definitely purchase the PV...if you have a basic understanding of how efi systems work and are willing to put that knowledge to work, then the SE will get it done.
I'd say that if you don't know anything you should definitely get the SE tuner and have the dealer tune it for you, it may cost more but it will be perfect and you don't have to know jackshit. If you do know what you're doing then get whichever, it doesn't really matter, the differences come down to personal preferences. You can also get a Mastertune, which is basically the old SERT with some updates. Any of the above will get the job done.
If you want a perfect tune there's two ways to do it:
1) Get a HD approved flash tuner like the SEPST and let the dealer dyno tune it.
2) Get any flash tuner and dyno tune the bike yourself.
Last edited by jdub099; Jun 21, 2013 at 10:24 AM.
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Joined: Jan 2011
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From: Orlando, FL
I went with the PowerVision due to how easy it is to use. Coming of course, from someone that had not clue on how to use one of these tuners...
The screen is only on the bike while I do monitoring, autotune, or just want to check on something. After I am done, I just unplug it and it sits in the box stored in the garage.
I found a product that I can learn fairly easy, good support, and does not require me to pay someone else every time that I make a change to the bike. For me, this was the best one to go with.
The screen is only on the bike while I do monitoring, autotune, or just want to check on something. After I am done, I just unplug it and it sits in the box stored in the garage.
I found a product that I can learn fairly easy, good support, and does not require me to pay someone else every time that I make a change to the bike. For me, this was the best one to go with.
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Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 2,158
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From: Gulf Breeze, FL
I do not see the word "create" anywhere in my post so I don't think I have mixed up any facts. The PV and SE tuner do the same thing.
I'd say that if you don't know anything you should definitely get the SE tuner and have the dealer tune it for you, it may cost more but it will be perfect and you don't have to know jackshit. If you do know what you're doing then get whichever, it doesn't really matter, the differences come down to personal preferences. You can also get a Mastertune, which is basically the old SERT with some updates. Any of the above will get the job done.
If you want a perfect tune there's two ways to do it:
1) Get a HD approved flash tuner like the SEPST and let the dealer dyno tune it.
2) Get any flash tuner and dyno tune the bike yourself.
I'd say that if you don't know anything you should definitely get the SE tuner and have the dealer tune it for you, it may cost more but it will be perfect and you don't have to know jackshit. If you do know what you're doing then get whichever, it doesn't really matter, the differences come down to personal preferences. You can also get a Mastertune, which is basically the old SERT with some updates. Any of the above will get the job done.
If you want a perfect tune there's two ways to do it:
1) Get a HD approved flash tuner like the SEPST and let the dealer dyno tune it.
2) Get any flash tuner and dyno tune the bike yourself.
Last edited by rickss69; Jun 21, 2013 at 10:44 AM.