How do you defend Harley vs Japanese?
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Maybe he's a troll, whaada ya think?
Anyhow, it is apples and oranges. I've had a bunch of both. Don't like Japanese-made Harley clones and don't like Buell "sporstbikes" either. Harleys are now just as reliable as anything made anywhere.
Only drawbacks for me are the serious depreciation of foreign bikes and that it costs serious jingle to get any H-D to run with authority...
Anyhow, it is apples and oranges. I've had a bunch of both. Don't like Japanese-made Harley clones and don't like Buell "sporstbikes" either. Harleys are now just as reliable as anything made anywhere.
Only drawbacks for me are the serious depreciation of foreign bikes and that it costs serious jingle to get any H-D to run with authority...
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From: Charlotte NC
The argument you were in was mostly "Product" focused. What gets missed is the discusion on the "Application".
Many people will NEVER buy a Harley because it does not fit the application they intend to use it for.
Many people will NEVER buy a sport bike for the same reason.
Some have 1 of each because they have have different applications that require different bikes.
Lastly is the discussion on "price". A very subjective term when comparing different products. A better term is "value" & "affordability".
The Ultra vs. Goldwing would be a good example. Price is not an issue since if you can afford 1 you can afford the other. Some see the "value" in the Goldwing, some see the "value" in the Ultra. Some see the Goldwing as best for their application some see it in the Ultra.
And many have gone from one to the other.
I have become pretty convinced that one is not better than the other - they are Different. As for knocking another brand - that's just petty 3rd grade behaviour - and I am pretty convinced that those that knock Harley the most are those that don't have one but wished they did.
Many people will NEVER buy a Harley because it does not fit the application they intend to use it for.
Many people will NEVER buy a sport bike for the same reason.
Some have 1 of each because they have have different applications that require different bikes.
Lastly is the discussion on "price". A very subjective term when comparing different products. A better term is "value" & "affordability".
The Ultra vs. Goldwing would be a good example. Price is not an issue since if you can afford 1 you can afford the other. Some see the "value" in the Goldwing, some see the "value" in the Ultra. Some see the Goldwing as best for their application some see it in the Ultra.
And many have gone from one to the other.
I have become pretty convinced that one is not better than the other - they are Different. As for knocking another brand - that's just petty 3rd grade behaviour - and I am pretty convinced that those that knock Harley the most are those that don't have one but wished they did.
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From: Lake of the Ozarks, Missouri
You know what? I believe your question is sincere, however, as some have pointed out....if you have to ask you would not understand. Owning a Harley is not taught in Motorcycle 101. It's something you have thought about and maybe even dreamed about all your life. It's being a part of a tradition that extends well over 100 years.
You approach is all wrong. If you were hoping someone here would convince you to buy a Harley, it won't happen. That's just not how it works.
You approach is all wrong. If you were hoping someone here would convince you to buy a Harley, it won't happen. That's just not how it works.
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From: DE
The argument you were in was mostly "Product" focused. What gets missed is the discusion on the "Application".
Many people will NEVER buy a Harley because it does not fit the application they intend to use it for.
Many people will NEVER buy a sport bike for the same reason.
Some have 1 of each because they have have different applications that require different bikes.
Lastly is the discussion on "price". A very subjective term when comparing different products. A better term is "value" & "affordability".
The Ultra vs. Goldwing would be a good example. Price is not an issue since if you can afford 1 you can afford the other. Some see the "value" in the Goldwing, some see the "value" in the Ultra. Some see the Goldwing as best for their application some see it in the Ultra.
And many have gone from one to the other.
I have become pretty convinced that one is not better than the other - they are Different. As for knocking another brand - that's just petty 3rd grade behaviour - and I am pretty convinced that those that knock Harley the most are those that don't have one but wished they did.
Many people will NEVER buy a Harley because it does not fit the application they intend to use it for.
Many people will NEVER buy a sport bike for the same reason.
Some have 1 of each because they have have different applications that require different bikes.
Lastly is the discussion on "price". A very subjective term when comparing different products. A better term is "value" & "affordability".
The Ultra vs. Goldwing would be a good example. Price is not an issue since if you can afford 1 you can afford the other. Some see the "value" in the Goldwing, some see the "value" in the Ultra. Some see the Goldwing as best for their application some see it in the Ultra.
And many have gone from one to the other.
I have become pretty convinced that one is not better than the other - they are Different. As for knocking another brand - that's just petty 3rd grade behaviour - and I am pretty convinced that those that knock Harley the most are those that don't have one but wished they did.
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The argument you were in was mostly "Product" focused. What gets missed is the discusion on the "Application".
Many people will NEVER buy a Harley because it does not fit the application they intend to use it for.
Many people will NEVER buy a sport bike for the same reason.
Some have 1 of each because they have have different applications that require different bikes.
Lastly is the discussion on "price". A very subjective term when comparing different products. A better term is "value" & "affordability".
The Ultra vs. Goldwing would be a good example. Price is not an issue since if you can afford 1 you can afford the other. Some see the "value" in the Goldwing, some see the "value" in the Ultra. Some see the Goldwing as best for their application some see it in the Ultra.
And many have gone from one to the other.
I have become pretty convinced that one is not better than the other - they are Different. As for knocking another brand - that's just petty 3rd grade behaviour - and I am pretty convinced that those that knock Harley the most are those that don't have one but wished they did.
Many people will NEVER buy a Harley because it does not fit the application they intend to use it for.
Many people will NEVER buy a sport bike for the same reason.
Some have 1 of each because they have have different applications that require different bikes.
Lastly is the discussion on "price". A very subjective term when comparing different products. A better term is "value" & "affordability".
The Ultra vs. Goldwing would be a good example. Price is not an issue since if you can afford 1 you can afford the other. Some see the "value" in the Goldwing, some see the "value" in the Ultra. Some see the Goldwing as best for their application some see it in the Ultra.
And many have gone from one to the other.
I have become pretty convinced that one is not better than the other - they are Different. As for knocking another brand - that's just petty 3rd grade behaviour - and I am pretty convinced that those that knock Harley the most are those that don't have one but wished they did.
Might add those that knock (dislike would be a better word) Harley may have also found they don't do what they need a bike to do, same for any other bike.
But to stand in a pissing contest and say one bike does all things well is foolish..imho
Al
