I've served in two wars and am a member of a fraternal organization that pre-dates these MCs by a few centuries. I understand fraternal brotherhood AND the evils of men more then most...

I didn't lay my life on the line only to come home and live my life by the guidelines of insecure, weak-minded men. (those that would choose criminal activity and risk losing the very freedom they claim to relish over exercising a bit of self-control are WEAK)

 

why go there?...enjoy your ride, ride with friends, do charity or whatever ....... there are elements of our society you know nothing about nor it seems, you even acknowledge their existence....that's dangerous no matter what you ride or where you go.

 

I guess you got it all figured out. Maybe you should share your thinking with the next club you run into.

 

 

Start your club! Do your own thing. It will bring heat especially from cops, but if you're prepared to deal with BS then do it.

As far as other clubs, keep to yourselves, don't rock your vest when riding alone, and be prepared should **** go down.

Be a man, don't cower, and respect those that respect you!

Ride safe!

 

1. Look at joining an established club with similar interests as you and your buddies.
2. Look at joining an established club with similar interests as you and your buddies.
3. Look at joining an established club with similar interests as you and your buddies.

If you are too lazy to thoroughly investigate the best 3 options then as a last resort
look at joining an established club with similar interests as you and your buddies.

In my area it has become the MC community that evaluates those new applicants. With approx 80 clubs in my small COC region there are over a thousand patches on the roads some are 100 mi out from center. I've zero knowledge of how or who to approach in UT. That Rcvsmc site is somewhat old in terms of what's current. It also does not emphasize regional differences and comes across heavy if you dont follow protocols. My Brother and I submitted material and quotes to GL (principle website owner) back in 2004 that are still on the site but no longer applicable. The process in Texas is different in Ca or FL so do not let some guy in NY/GA/TN tell you what works in UT. Again local clubs can give you the best learning opportunity, provided you are truly serious.

If I had to do this all over again then COIR is the starting point. *edit - this guy in UT This group works along side the USDefenders, a grass roots "motorcycle rights" unit of the Confederation of Clubs. Independents who work with COIR get tremendous respect because they actually prove daily/weekly/monthly they are interested in understanding and supporting the club concept. Some stay indy, some move into clubs they like, some start new clubs, some realize the patch is full time and drift away with a soft lesson learned.

In the past 5/6 years my region has easily seen a doubling of new patches. Almost ALL new clubs in my area fold within 3 yrs due to a lack of spirit, direction, leadership, experience, commitment, et al. They wrongly assumed wearing a patch was a 3 hours a week pub runnin', or attending some club benefit.

Look for existing clubs and befriend them. You may ultimately decide to form your own but at min you will learn a lot.

 

Pretty good stuff here...

 

So by your logic, everyone who started or founded an MC is a poser that didn't earn the right to wear a 3PP. People such as Otto Friedli (HA), or Donald Chambers (Bandidios) should be put on the same level as people who pretend to be military vets. If you belong to one, why don't you stand up in the next meeting and move that the founders be stripped of all association to the club. Cause since they started it they did not earn the right to wear it.

This being said, I don't belong to any MC never have never will. I don't idolize them, in fact go back to some of the older threads and you will see just the opposite.

Location is the key. If you're not going to be infringing on someones territory or readily seen by others then there probably wouldn't be any problem. Also, as a side note, I've seen the local 1%ers do nothing more than laugh as a reaction to someone wearing a BS 3PP on their vest.

All of you that say "wear what you want" like I said location is vital. I can take care of myself, as can my friends. But we wouldn't walk through certain parts of LA wearing a red bandana either.

 

My buddies and I started a MC club last year. here is the steps I took

A.
1. Have enough guys that are committed to the Club idea.
2. Create a Charter, google it you can get an idea what to include
3.Designed our patch.

B.
1. I went to the local clubs ( I am friends with most of them) and ran my idea by them. Informed them of my intentions and future plans for Club.
2. Showed the Clubs my patch. It is important that your colors (literally speaking) are not close to their colors and your patch does not look like theirs. Example if you design a red & white patch with skulls or wings on it you may be in trouble. Also your bottom rocker cannot be the same as another club (usually)

C.
The biggest Club in my area came back with the suggestion
-Start your Club
-Make your patch one piece- The reason for this is (in our area) a 3 piece patch signifies you are a full MC club with clubhouse, facilities for visiting club members to stay, and are associated with the big clubs)
-Put the MC as part of your one piece patch
D.
Once you are established, have a clubhouse, and are participating in the MC community you can consider a full 3 piece patch

REMEMBER- Do not take this lightly, you are not playing a game

Also- You are going to get jumped on by the posters that tell you F the clubs and their rules, or they can't tell you what to do.

Bottom Line is- IF you want to Start a Club do it, just make sure you do it right.

If you want PM me with your email and I will send you a pic of my colors as an example of a one piece patch that can easily become a 3 piece.

Good luck

 

I'm sure there's plenty of validity to this statement. Glad I live where this isn't the case.