Banned in OK?
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Banned in OK?
Whats this all about?
Anyone know?
This maybe should be in the PG section but I think more will see it here.
MEMBERS: Anyone who has plans to travel through Oklahoma or attend OK. missions should be aware of this posting in the Oklahoma PGR forum.
PGR Uniform & Display Policy for Oklahoma
All persons in Oklahoma should read this thread. All PGR members traveling through Oklahoma or performing missions in Oklahoma should also read this thread.
Effective immediately, the PGR back patch is no longer authorized for wear in Oklahoma, at anytime. Members should not have any patch on the back of their garments that is yellow and blue and has the PGR logo. Additionally, PGR flags, banners, magnets, and stickers, are not authorized to be displayed, on any vehicle (1 or more wheels) except during funeral missions for Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, or Marines, who are casualties of Operation Iraqi Freedom or Operation Enduring Freedom (Afghanistan). Patches on the front of the garment (vest, jacket, shirt, etc.) are authorized - no PGR items should be worn on the back of the vest, shirt, or jacket. Shirts or headgear with the PGR logo in any color but BLACK or BLUE are authorized.
At this time it DOES NOT INVOLVE any other state or our members unless they are traveling through Oklahoma.
MikeM
Anyone know?
This maybe should be in the PG section but I think more will see it here.
MEMBERS: Anyone who has plans to travel through Oklahoma or attend OK. missions should be aware of this posting in the Oklahoma PGR forum.
PGR Uniform & Display Policy for Oklahoma
All persons in Oklahoma should read this thread. All PGR members traveling through Oklahoma or performing missions in Oklahoma should also read this thread.
Effective immediately, the PGR back patch is no longer authorized for wear in Oklahoma, at anytime. Members should not have any patch on the back of their garments that is yellow and blue and has the PGR logo. Additionally, PGR flags, banners, magnets, and stickers, are not authorized to be displayed, on any vehicle (1 or more wheels) except during funeral missions for Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, or Marines, who are casualties of Operation Iraqi Freedom or Operation Enduring Freedom (Afghanistan). Patches on the front of the garment (vest, jacket, shirt, etc.) are authorized - no PGR items should be worn on the back of the vest, shirt, or jacket. Shirts or headgear with the PGR logo in any color but BLACK or BLUE are authorized.
At this time it DOES NOT INVOLVE any other state or our members unless they are traveling through Oklahoma.
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Our state captain gave a little more info than that. It has to do with relationships with other motorcycle clubs. I still think it's a tad bit silly, but it is what it is...
(I've pulled email addresses and phone numbers and names as I don't know they'd want them posted on a public forum)
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Over the last couple of days we have received a couple of messages from the PGR leadership in Oklahoma regarding new rules concerning the wearing of PGR apparel in Oklahoma both during missions and for casual wear. There are 2 messages below from Oklahoma concerning this, the second of which came from the national PGR web site in the captain’s forum. These rules apparently come from the Oklahoma PGR agreement(s) with the Confederation of Clubs in Oklahoma.
These messages come directly from the Oklahoma PGR leadership and I certainly believe that we should fully comply with their wishes when we ride with them and participate in missions there, as I’m sure they would (and DO) when they come to Texas, as they do very often, and ride on our side of the river. There are also other recommendations here which do not involve missions. Please remember, also, that not only do you face placing yourself in danger from folks like the Bandidos and possibly others if you violate their instructions, you may very well make things very difficult for our Oklahoma PGR brothers and sisters who live and ride there on a daily basis.
I have had questions about how these rules affect, or may affect, missions in Texas. I can’t speak for the rest of Texas but I am not aware of any membership, affiliation or other connection between the PGR and the CofC in Texas, or particularly, North Texas. That doesn’t mean there isn’t one, but I’m not aware of it. I have begun to research it, however. There is no plan to change what we wear to missions in North Texas. Our “rule” is a common sense one. We should dress appropriately for the weather and we should dress appropriately for our mission…paying honor and respect to those we serve in a funeral type setting where we will be meeting people of ALL ages and beliefs. The Ride Captains will make determinations on scene if something comes up.
This information regarding Oklahoma is provided for your information and because so many of our North Texas riders also ride in Oklahoma. If things change I will do my best to keep you informed.
Please use your heads and stay safe if any of this information affects you. Let’s please try and do our best to keep our brothers and sisters in Oklahoma safe, too.
The wording below comes straight from Oklahoma. Nothing has been added or edited. These are their words and their wishes. When in their house let’s do things their way, please.
XX
Deputy State Captain
North Texas PGR
Below you will find a mesage from our state captain reguarding the wearing of our back patch and other PG insignia. IMHO we are not a m/c and have a right to wear our patch with pride. In reality we do have a chain of command and I know our state leaders are doing what is best for the mission, the safety of our riders, and the state.
Since our mission is to those who have given their all, and our veterans, it is like a marriage, there are some battles that need to be fought and some time you just need to save it for the ones that are important
I have ridden in most states with my PGR flag and vest and it was welcomed everywhere. Now I will remove the patch from the back of my vest and replace it with the all service flag patch, when I ride in my home state.
As I said we are there for the families and hero's, none of which care about the patch on the back of our vest.
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THIS IS A MUST READ FOR ALL PERSONS PARTICIPATING IN PGR MISSIONS
Effective immediately, the PGR back patch is no longer authorized for wear in Oklahoma, at anytime. Additionally, PGR flags, banners, magnets, and stickers, are not authorized to be displayed except during funeral missions for Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, or Marines, who are casualties of Operation Iraqi Freedom or Operation Enduring Freedom (Afghanistan). Patches on the front of the garment (vest, jacket, shirt, etc.) are authorized - no PGR items should be worn on the back of the vest, shirt, or jacket. Shirts with the PGR logo in any color but BLACK or BLUE are authorized.
This ruling is due to the fact that some PGR members did not follow the original agreement put in place between the PGR and the Oklahoma Confederation of Clubs, through their agent, American Veterans Motorcycle Club (AVMC). Our actions and failure to follow a formal agreement has forced the Confederation of Clubs and the American Veterans Motorcycle Club (AVMC)(whose colors are blue and gold – the same as the colors on PGR items) to restrict the wear and display of the aforementioned items.
Ride Captains will enforce this rule. Members who violate this rule will do so of their own accord and without the support of the State or National leadership. If you choose to violate this rule, you can expect that if observed by an MC, specifically AVMC, you will be directed to remove the unauthorized item.
Background and History
The Oklahoma Confederation of Clubs is an organization organized under the auspices of the National Coalition of Motorcyclists. Among their many duties is their responsibility to resolve conflicts between motorcycle clubs, riding clubs, and other groups, associations, etc., related to motorcycles. The PGR, as a motorcycle-based “group”, like it or not, has to abide by the rules, resolutions, and edicts put forth by the COC. The COC itself is led by the predominant motorcycle club (MC) in a given state. As is the case of the State of Oklahoma, the COC is led by the State President of the Bandidos Motorcycle Club, Bandido Lee.
When the PGR (National) adopted a back patch several years ago, there was quite a bit of discussion (pro & con) about the need or desire for the patch. Ultimately, National left it to the discretion of the State leadership to either not allow the wear of the patch or to request permission for its wear through the COC. The COC, through AVMC allowed us to wear the patch on missions. However, a number of members have flaunted wearing the patch in venues outside the mission. In the motorcycle world, motorcycle clubs rule. We failed to follow our agreement and that has led us to this point.
For more information on motorcycle clubs, I urge you to read this link: http://www.rcvsmc.net/. In the case of the American Veterans Motorcycle Club, one must understand and appreciate the level of commitment members of a motorcycle club must have. They didn’t just show up one day (like the PGR) and begin wearing a patch. They’ve had to work hard to attain their position in the MC world (including the injury and death of members) just to wear their patches. Their current members can’t just go out and buy a patch – they have to earn it over a long period of time and take it very, very seriously.
So as not to put the AVMC or any other MC in a negative light, please understand that if we follow the rules and work with the MCs, you’ll find that all of them (like us) are actually decent, hard-working people. In the case of any veteran’s MC, of course they are all vets and deserve our respect.
This ultimately is the culture we choose to operate in. Regardless of your opinion, in order for us to accomplish our mission, we have to follow the rules.
Bear in mind that no one “hates” the PGR. I have spoke personally with Bandido Lee and he stated “I like what you guys do”. I have also spoke personally with several senior leaders with AVMC, Viet Nam Veteran’s MC, and Leatherneck MC and they believe in what we do (they were doing it before we showed up in Aug 05). They want to work with us. But we have to honor our agreements and maintain our integrity.
If anyone has any questions, please email me at xxx@xxx.com.
XX
Oklahoma State Captain
(xxx)xxx-xxxx
Don "Pappy" Papin, Assistant State Captain, Ok Patriot Guard.
Members of Congress should dress like NASCAR drivers, with their sponsors displayed.
windyglensighthounds.com
Message #2
I am posting this add the direction of the National Captain.
Effective immediately, the PGR back patch is no longer authorized for wear in Oklahoma, at anytime. Members should not have any patch on the back of their garments that is yellow and blue and has the PGR logo. Additionally, PGR flags, banners, magnets, and stickers, are not authorized to be displayed, on any vehicle (1 or more wheels) except during funeral missions for Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, or Marines, who are casualties of Operation Iraqi Freedom or Operation Enduring Freedom (Afghanistan). Patches on the front of the garment (vest, jacket, shirt, etc.) are authorized - no PGR items should be worn on the back of the vest, shirt, or jacket. Shirts or headgear with the PGR logo in any color but BLACK or BLUE are authorized.
Ladies and gentlemen, this policy affects any PGR member traveling through or performing missions in Oklahoma.
(I've pulled email addresses and phone numbers and names as I don't know they'd want them posted on a public forum)
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Over the last couple of days we have received a couple of messages from the PGR leadership in Oklahoma regarding new rules concerning the wearing of PGR apparel in Oklahoma both during missions and for casual wear. There are 2 messages below from Oklahoma concerning this, the second of which came from the national PGR web site in the captain’s forum. These rules apparently come from the Oklahoma PGR agreement(s) with the Confederation of Clubs in Oklahoma.
These messages come directly from the Oklahoma PGR leadership and I certainly believe that we should fully comply with their wishes when we ride with them and participate in missions there, as I’m sure they would (and DO) when they come to Texas, as they do very often, and ride on our side of the river. There are also other recommendations here which do not involve missions. Please remember, also, that not only do you face placing yourself in danger from folks like the Bandidos and possibly others if you violate their instructions, you may very well make things very difficult for our Oklahoma PGR brothers and sisters who live and ride there on a daily basis.
I have had questions about how these rules affect, or may affect, missions in Texas. I can’t speak for the rest of Texas but I am not aware of any membership, affiliation or other connection between the PGR and the CofC in Texas, or particularly, North Texas. That doesn’t mean there isn’t one, but I’m not aware of it. I have begun to research it, however. There is no plan to change what we wear to missions in North Texas. Our “rule” is a common sense one. We should dress appropriately for the weather and we should dress appropriately for our mission…paying honor and respect to those we serve in a funeral type setting where we will be meeting people of ALL ages and beliefs. The Ride Captains will make determinations on scene if something comes up.
This information regarding Oklahoma is provided for your information and because so many of our North Texas riders also ride in Oklahoma. If things change I will do my best to keep you informed.
Please use your heads and stay safe if any of this information affects you. Let’s please try and do our best to keep our brothers and sisters in Oklahoma safe, too.
The wording below comes straight from Oklahoma. Nothing has been added or edited. These are their words and their wishes. When in their house let’s do things their way, please.
XX
Deputy State Captain
North Texas PGR
Below you will find a mesage from our state captain reguarding the wearing of our back patch and other PG insignia. IMHO we are not a m/c and have a right to wear our patch with pride. In reality we do have a chain of command and I know our state leaders are doing what is best for the mission, the safety of our riders, and the state.
Since our mission is to those who have given their all, and our veterans, it is like a marriage, there are some battles that need to be fought and some time you just need to save it for the ones that are important
I have ridden in most states with my PGR flag and vest and it was welcomed everywhere. Now I will remove the patch from the back of my vest and replace it with the all service flag patch, when I ride in my home state.
As I said we are there for the families and hero's, none of which care about the patch on the back of our vest.
----------------------------------------------------------
THIS IS A MUST READ FOR ALL PERSONS PARTICIPATING IN PGR MISSIONS
Effective immediately, the PGR back patch is no longer authorized for wear in Oklahoma, at anytime. Additionally, PGR flags, banners, magnets, and stickers, are not authorized to be displayed except during funeral missions for Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, or Marines, who are casualties of Operation Iraqi Freedom or Operation Enduring Freedom (Afghanistan). Patches on the front of the garment (vest, jacket, shirt, etc.) are authorized - no PGR items should be worn on the back of the vest, shirt, or jacket. Shirts with the PGR logo in any color but BLACK or BLUE are authorized.
This ruling is due to the fact that some PGR members did not follow the original agreement put in place between the PGR and the Oklahoma Confederation of Clubs, through their agent, American Veterans Motorcycle Club (AVMC). Our actions and failure to follow a formal agreement has forced the Confederation of Clubs and the American Veterans Motorcycle Club (AVMC)(whose colors are blue and gold – the same as the colors on PGR items) to restrict the wear and display of the aforementioned items.
Ride Captains will enforce this rule. Members who violate this rule will do so of their own accord and without the support of the State or National leadership. If you choose to violate this rule, you can expect that if observed by an MC, specifically AVMC, you will be directed to remove the unauthorized item.
Background and History
The Oklahoma Confederation of Clubs is an organization organized under the auspices of the National Coalition of Motorcyclists. Among their many duties is their responsibility to resolve conflicts between motorcycle clubs, riding clubs, and other groups, associations, etc., related to motorcycles. The PGR, as a motorcycle-based “group”, like it or not, has to abide by the rules, resolutions, and edicts put forth by the COC. The COC itself is led by the predominant motorcycle club (MC) in a given state. As is the case of the State of Oklahoma, the COC is led by the State President of the Bandidos Motorcycle Club, Bandido Lee.
When the PGR (National) adopted a back patch several years ago, there was quite a bit of discussion (pro & con) about the need or desire for the patch. Ultimately, National left it to the discretion of the State leadership to either not allow the wear of the patch or to request permission for its wear through the COC. The COC, through AVMC allowed us to wear the patch on missions. However, a number of members have flaunted wearing the patch in venues outside the mission. In the motorcycle world, motorcycle clubs rule. We failed to follow our agreement and that has led us to this point.
For more information on motorcycle clubs, I urge you to read this link: http://www.rcvsmc.net/. In the case of the American Veterans Motorcycle Club, one must understand and appreciate the level of commitment members of a motorcycle club must have. They didn’t just show up one day (like the PGR) and begin wearing a patch. They’ve had to work hard to attain their position in the MC world (including the injury and death of members) just to wear their patches. Their current members can’t just go out and buy a patch – they have to earn it over a long period of time and take it very, very seriously.
So as not to put the AVMC or any other MC in a negative light, please understand that if we follow the rules and work with the MCs, you’ll find that all of them (like us) are actually decent, hard-working people. In the case of any veteran’s MC, of course they are all vets and deserve our respect.
This ultimately is the culture we choose to operate in. Regardless of your opinion, in order for us to accomplish our mission, we have to follow the rules.
Bear in mind that no one “hates” the PGR. I have spoke personally with Bandido Lee and he stated “I like what you guys do”. I have also spoke personally with several senior leaders with AVMC, Viet Nam Veteran’s MC, and Leatherneck MC and they believe in what we do (they were doing it before we showed up in Aug 05). They want to work with us. But we have to honor our agreements and maintain our integrity.
If anyone has any questions, please email me at xxx@xxx.com.
XX
Oklahoma State Captain
(xxx)xxx-xxxx
Don "Pappy" Papin, Assistant State Captain, Ok Patriot Guard.
Members of Congress should dress like NASCAR drivers, with their sponsors displayed.
windyglensighthounds.com
Message #2
I am posting this add the direction of the National Captain.
Effective immediately, the PGR back patch is no longer authorized for wear in Oklahoma, at anytime. Members should not have any patch on the back of their garments that is yellow and blue and has the PGR logo. Additionally, PGR flags, banners, magnets, and stickers, are not authorized to be displayed, on any vehicle (1 or more wheels) except during funeral missions for Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, or Marines, who are casualties of Operation Iraqi Freedom or Operation Enduring Freedom (Afghanistan). Patches on the front of the garment (vest, jacket, shirt, etc.) are authorized - no PGR items should be worn on the back of the vest, shirt, or jacket. Shirts or headgear with the PGR logo in any color but BLACK or BLUE are authorized.
Ladies and gentlemen, this policy affects any PGR member traveling through or performing missions in Oklahoma.
Tourer
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From: Buffalo, Minnesota
The PGR should carry more wieght than any other club or organization because of what they represent. The other clubs should respect and honor that without question. Jerks.
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waah! waah! waah! What a bunch of children. Why should someone care what patch anyone wears as long as it is not your patch unless they are authorized to wear you patch. More "I am in charge and you're not" crap. What is the difference in the Government or someone else sticking their nose in your business.
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This is just the type of thing that stopped me from getting involved in a club. After finishing the hang around phase, on the day they were going to hang prospect rocker on me I opted to roll up my chit and move on. The deciding factor was the large amount of politics that I observed in just the few functions I had attended at the state club house and a few other outings. It's really too bad that it has to be that way.
As my mother always told me when I was young "As long as there are at least two people on this planet...There will be conflict".
I have learned time and time again that she was right on.
As my mother always told me when I was young "As long as there are at least two people on this planet...There will be conflict".
I have learned time and time again that she was right on.
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Jesus, what a bunch of drama queens. These guys are worse then the poseur fashion police on this site. I "get" that earning a patch is a big commitment and deal. But claiming a color scheme as your own? Come on. Grow the F up and let the PGR carry out their missions.