Cat Less Headers
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From: Charlotte Metro
My understanding is the 09 pipe is a bastard. It's catless but has the old 18 mm o2 sensors near the head. The 2010 and newer have the 12 mm o2 located much farther downstream. From what I understand this is different o2 sensor all together and tells the ecm a different read than the old 18 mm mounted closer. So that being said you can use the 09 pipe and weld in 12 mm bungs in the same location as your stock pipe and plug off the 18 mm bungs. Should work.
Road Warrior
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From: Port Neches Texas
That's the direction I'm going, just didn't know if I could run the 09 pipes with the close to the jugs 18 mm with adapters using stock ECM and sensors for the short interim until the cam job and TMax install.
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Road Captain
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From: Tampa, FL
Thank you everyone for the responses. I'll be checking on the Super Flow Mufflers/B&E Performance products.
After posting last night it dawned on me that the plugs I saw on the 2009 unit was probably a different size O2 sensor plug. Relocating the new sensors/adapting to the larger plug or welding in new plugs is beyond my ability. If I had those skills I'd probably cut out my cat myself. Seems like that would be simpler but I'm an IT Desk Jockey not a welder so what do I know?
After posting last night it dawned on me that the plugs I saw on the 2009 unit was probably a different size O2 sensor plug. Relocating the new sensors/adapting to the larger plug or welding in new plugs is beyond my ability. If I had those skills I'd probably cut out my cat myself. Seems like that would be simpler but I'm an IT Desk Jockey not a welder so what do I know?
Road Master
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From: westland Michigan
Relocating the new sensors/adapting to the larger plug or welding in new plugs is beyond my ability. If I had those skills I'd probably cut out my cat myself. Seems like that would be simpler but I'm an IT Desk Jockey not a welder so what do I know?[/QUOTE]
You know computers and thats Ok. What you can do tho is take it to a welding shop and have them weld it up for you. Its not that much cost.
Batman
You know computers and thats Ok. What you can do tho is take it to a welding shop and have them weld it up for you. Its not that much cost.
Batman
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From: Charlotte Metro
More money but there's a Fuel Moto stainless Headpipe in Touring classifieds for sell 
. It's great performance header keeping stock pipe look and has both 18mm &12mm holes. You reuse your stock chrome header covers with it.
. It's great performance header keeping stock pipe look and has both 18mm &12mm holes. You reuse your stock chrome header covers with it.
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From: Olive & Oak
Thank you everyone for the responses. I'll be checking on the Super Flow Mufflers/B&E Performance products.
After posting last night it dawned on me that the plugs I saw on the 2009 unit was probably a different size O2 sensor plug. Relocating the new sensors/adapting to the larger plug or welding in new plugs is beyond my ability. If I had those skills I'd probably cut out my cat myself. Seems like that would be simpler but I'm an IT Desk Jockey not a welder so what do I know?
After posting last night it dawned on me that the plugs I saw on the 2009 unit was probably a different size O2 sensor plug. Relocating the new sensors/adapting to the larger plug or welding in new plugs is beyond my ability. If I had those skills I'd probably cut out my cat myself. Seems like that would be simpler but I'm an IT Desk Jockey not a welder so what do I know?
I am not sure your out of luck yet on the 09 catless header. Some manufacture sells
adapter wires (longer) that will let you use 02 sensors at the cylinder head. Now you can
get 18 mm. wide band 02 sensors form a few places like www.nightrider.com and a few
others out there. Get yourself a good tuner and you ready to roll.
P.S. Then there is always E-Bay for catless headers.
adapter wires (longer) that will let you use 02 sensors at the cylinder head. Now you can
get 18 mm. wide band 02 sensors form a few places like www.nightrider.com and a few
others out there. Get yourself a good tuner and you ready to roll.
P.S. Then there is always E-Bay for catless headers.
Last edited by OldPhat; Jun 10, 2015 at 10:05 AM.
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Road Captain
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From: Tampa, FL
I ordered the cat less header from B & E performance this afternoon.
Based on other comments in the forum I am considering buying new mounting pieces - gaskets, flange, etc. I'll look at my originals when they come off and make a decision.
As for the comments about tuners: I spoke with Fuel Moto and will probably order the PV2 and A/C bundle next month.
Based on other comments in the forum I am considering buying new mounting pieces - gaskets, flange, etc. I'll look at my originals when they come off and make a decision.
As for the comments about tuners: I spoke with Fuel Moto and will probably order the PV2 and A/C bundle next month.
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From: Utah
I ordered the cat less header from B & E performance this afternoon.
Based on other comments in the forum I am considering buying new mounting pieces - gaskets, flange, etc. I'll look at my originals when they come off and make a decision.
As for the comments about tuners: I spoke with Fuel Moto and will probably order the PV2 and A/C bundle next month.
Based on other comments in the forum I am considering buying new mounting pieces - gaskets, flange, etc. I'll look at my originals when they come off and make a decision.
As for the comments about tuners: I spoke with Fuel Moto and will probably order the PV2 and A/C bundle next month.