Tyranny rebuild
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Tyranny rebuild
At eighteen Thousand Miles I had my primary bearing and race replace, now at 34000 Miles I'm having my mechanic rebuild my transmission with a Jim's transmission rebuild kit, my question is while he's in there should I have him replace my compensator he says it looks good but it would be good to replace it with a baker compensator.
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At eighteen Thousand Miles I had my primary bearing and race replace, now at 34000 Miles I'm having my mechanic rebuild my transmission with a Jim's transmission rebuild kit, my question is while he's in there should I have him replace my compensator he says it looks good but it would be good to replace it with a baker compensator.
To ans your question, Baker's latest generation compensator has a good rep here in hdforums ,but i don't have any 1st hand exp with it.
When the comp went bad in my 09 flhtcu @ approx 10k miles Bakers new comp design was still in beta testing & not avail at the time so i installed HD's SE comp kit that included the new rotor my 09 required along with also installing an aftermarket mod (GMR's " Compensaver " oiling tray) at the same time too.
GMR's compensaver oiling tray is specifically designed to provide additional oil directly onto the compensator which should significantly extend it's srv'c life.
I have approx 9,500-10k miles on that setup thus far with no issues.
Ok,moving on here.
Wow!,from what you stated it seem's as though the IPB went @ 18k miles & then the trans was shot @ 34k miles neither of which should have happened at that kind of mileage under normal op cond which has to be a total PIA esp if it's coming out of your pocket.
Now if an HD is highly modified putting out considerably more power & trq & or is constantly abused those are conditions where IPB & or trans could fail at such low mileage would be a bit more understandable in that situation.
With that said if you dont mind i have a few questions related to the premature IPB & Trans failures your bike had that i'd appreciate if you would answer for us.
* What yr & model is you bike?
* Do you consider yourself an aggressive rider or are you easy on the bike?
* What mfg's oil ,grade & type(std dino/sem,sem-blend/full syn?) did you run in the primary case & Trans?
* Did you follow HD's rec to change the oil in the primary case @ 10k miles and trans oil @ 20k miles?
* If you didn't follow HD's rec maint schd/mileage for changing oil in the trans & prim case what mileage sch'd did you change the oil in trans & prim case at?
Thanks....Scott
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I had a similar experience with my '07 FLHTC. I had to replace the inner primary seal at 35043 miles, and big bearing on the trans output shaft went bad at 49601 miles requiring a trans rebuild. All maintenance was done on schedule. It had stage 1 mod only. The type of riding was two-up touring style riding. Trans oil was either Formula Plus or Redline w/Shockproof. Yes, it slams the pocketbook pretty bad.
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harley quality control and cheap, junk bearings is the problem here ! if they used high quality bearings and made the tolerances tighter they would last alot longer. these things are just slapped together on an assemebly line just like the auto industry does. engine, transmissions and wheel bearings would greatly improve if harley tighten everything up.
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The bigger question is how many of you are checking for correct belt tension? Every bike I have taken to the shop has had less than 1/8" deflection at 10 ponds of force when it's come back to me, they set them way too tight which leads to premature failure.
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i really agree with this ! they just give it the quick once over and take no care in setting the belt deflection up. the techs need to use the tension tool their parts dept. sells.
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The automatic adjuster doesn't help the situation any either. Once it ratchets up too tight now the transmission mainshaft is being pulled in 2 directions the IPB doesn't stand a chance.
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People pull their hair out trying to get it exact ,, if I measure deflection at the slackest point, using the gauge set at 10 pound between the third and fourth line , I'm good to go .... When your up and running , the belt will tighten with heat/friction etc, and the tightest point on the belt wont be like a over tightened guitar string !!!!
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I do trips mostly on my bike,two up. I have used Amsoil,Mobile 1,recline and Harley synthetic. I have changed all my fluids probably twice as much as recommended. I ran a Hayden primary tensioner. It is possible that I have ran my belt a little tight, but I use the Harley adjuster tool and am pretty sure that I set it at spec. There is really no reason for such damages. Now my mechanic called me and says he might not be able to get my tranny apart without cracking the case because a bearing or race is frozen in the case. He said he would get back to me with options. Needless to say that I am not a happy guy right now.