2017 suspension compatible with 14-16 Rushmore's?
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I ordered the premium cartridge kit and was disappointed to find that it wasn't a cartridge per se, and sent it back. It's basically an upgraded version of what's already in there. The Ohlin cartridge is a true drop in system I believe. I'm sure it's pretty good. Legend has one too.
Did you end up picking one of these two options?
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Probably similar theory as the Ricor Intiminators...
http://store.ricorshocks.com/product...0-1001tour.htm
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Looks like the main change is a special valve....
Probably similar theory as the Ricor Intiminators...
http://store.ricorshocks.com/product...0-1001tour.htm
Probably similar theory as the Ricor Intiminators...
http://store.ricorshocks.com/product...0-1001tour.htm
"Its not a conventional cartridge arrangement, but what it most resembles is the long-running Race Tech Emulator, which converts a damping-rod fork to have cartridge-like damping character. In this case, a pair of deflecting-disc valves reside in a chamber placed atop a conventional looking damping rod. They take over some of the rebound and compression damping so that the fork doesnt have the harshness of a pure orifice-controlled device."
http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/20...st-ride-review
The Race Tech setup is much more robust then HD's 2017 fork suspension as its damping characteristics are adjustable, you chose the spring rate per riders weight, and is a no brainer at $220.
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I think down tubes are same as older Rushmore so the 17 should fit unless the inner tubing are different then 14 to 16 touring models. Front suspension video got my attention hope it fits my bike and it perform as it looks in the video.Hopefully I'll be taking one out tomorrow for a test ride.
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My guess is yes. It is compatible with the 14-16 models. When the Rushmore models were released the front forks were increased to 49mm. The '17's are advertised as having a totally new suspension with larger 49mm forks. LOL...I'm thinking that all they did was revolved the monotubes or even totally redesigned the inner tube assembly. The same was done to the rear. Judging from the pictures I've seen on the web the outer housing and hand adjustment **** are identical to the 14-16's.
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Perhaps, not according to this 2017 Review:
"Its not a conventional cartridge arrangement, but what it most resembles is the long-running Race Tech Emulator, which converts a damping-rod fork to have cartridge-like damping character. In this case, a pair of deflecting-disc valves reside in a chamber placed atop a conventional looking damping rod. They take over some of the rebound and compression damping so that the fork doesnt have the harshness of a pure orifice-controlled device."
The Race Tech setup is much more robust then HD's 2017 fork suspension as its damping characteristics are adjustable, you chose the spring rate per riders weight, and is a no brainer at $220.
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"Its not a conventional cartridge arrangement, but what it most resembles is the long-running Race Tech Emulator, which converts a damping-rod fork to have cartridge-like damping character. In this case, a pair of deflecting-disc valves reside in a chamber placed atop a conventional looking damping rod. They take over some of the rebound and compression damping so that the fork doesnt have the harshness of a pure orifice-controlled device."
The Race Tech setup is much more robust then HD's 2017 fork suspension as its damping characteristics are adjustable, you chose the spring rate per riders weight, and is a no brainer at $220.
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Ricor intiminators are a disc valve like Race Tech....
Race tech makes an adjustable disc, Ricor makes one that's set to your specs from them (and $50 bucks cheaper) but they are both basically the same thing. They are disc valve sitting on top of the damping rod, that controls fluid flow instead of the damping rod.....
Looks like the new Harley system is just using a disc of their own specs/design. I think I read it was made by Showa...
I've read a lot of good reviews of both the Race Tech and Ricor products, so I suspect the Harley system will be better than just the damping rod.
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Look into Traxxion Dynamic's AK-20 cartridges for your front end. American made, located in Woodstock, GA and I'm pretty sure there is a dealer network that you can find on their website. www.traxxion.com
I had them installed in my '14 Ultra Limited right after I bought it in September '13. I was not happy with the new front suspension in new front fork on Rushmores. Too soft. There weren't other options then because Progressive, Ohlins and others had not yet redesigned their products for the new fork at that time.
I've now got 50k miles on them. They have made the front end tight and solid. Handles rough pavement and bumps in sweepers with no issues.
Only issue was they were a little pricey, but now three years later, I would/will do it again.
I had them installed in my '14 Ultra Limited right after I bought it in September '13. I was not happy with the new front suspension in new front fork on Rushmores. Too soft. There weren't other options then because Progressive, Ohlins and others had not yet redesigned their products for the new fork at that time.
I've now got 50k miles on them. They have made the front end tight and solid. Handles rough pavement and bumps in sweepers with no issues.
Only issue was they were a little pricey, but now three years later, I would/will do it again.
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I never mentioned a cartridge system.
Ricor intiminators are a disc valve like Race Tech....
Race tech makes an adjustable disc, Ricor makes one that's set to your specs from them (and $50 bucks cheaper) but they are both basically the same thing. They are disc valve sitting on top of the damping rod, that controls fluid flow instead of the damping rod.....
Looks like the new Harley system is just using a disc of their own specs/design. I think I read it was made by Showa...
I've read a lot of good reviews of both the Race Tech and Ricor products, so I suspect the Harley system will be better than just the damping rod.
Ricor intiminators are a disc valve like Race Tech....
Race tech makes an adjustable disc, Ricor makes one that's set to your specs from them (and $50 bucks cheaper) but they are both basically the same thing. They are disc valve sitting on top of the damping rod, that controls fluid flow instead of the damping rod.....
Looks like the new Harley system is just using a disc of their own specs/design. I think I read it was made by Showa...
I've read a lot of good reviews of both the Race Tech and Ricor products, so I suspect the Harley system will be better than just the damping rod.
I never mentioned "cartridge" either. The 2017 review , the link and quote I posted in "quotes", did.
Had both Ricors and Race Tech. Very different approaches and valving technology. And Race Tech kits @ $220, bought my kit for $200, with correct spring rate AND valves cost far less then Ricors and springs. Installing valves only is just a partial upgrade. And Ricors have very limited adjustment possibilities in comparison to Race tech. And overall compression and rebound characteristics are much better with the Race Tech Gold Valves.
Damping rods have been around for 100 years. Its 2017, hd should be able to make an improvement of their damping rods. lol
After experiencing various after market suspensions, customizing per riders weight and ride quality preference, they are worth the time and expense. At least on hd bikes.
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Had both Ricors and Race Tech. Very different approaches and valving technology. And Race Tech kits @ $220, bought my kit for $200, with correct spring rate AND valves cost far less then Ricors and springs. Installing valves only is just a partial upgrade. And Ricors have very limited adjustment possibilities in comparison to Race tech. And overall compression and rebound characteristics are much better with the Race Tech Gold Valves.
Damping rods have been around for 100 years. Its 2017, hd should be able to make an improvement of their damping rods. lol
Did I understand correctly that the Race Tech kit has springs AND valves? Did you have to drill out the damping rod for the Race Tech kit or is that their old style valves?
I have some more reading to do.....
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I put the Ricor's on an 07 wideglide. They eliminated the brake dive but the ride was very stiff. Bike handled better but I could feel every bump.
When I called to ask about progressive rate springs to install with them they told me not to bother, valves would be all that was needed.
When I called to ask about progressive rate springs to install with them they told me not to bother, valves would be all that was needed.