Brake Fluid Change w/ABS
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correct. and this is my primary reason for not having it done as the end results either way can be costly. I'm well aware that the alternative can be as costly or more.
I'm following ITMercenary's products. however, the posted videos leave much to be desired. seems like the videos would be more in depth.
I'm following ITMercenary's products. however, the posted videos leave much to be desired. seems like the videos would be more in depth.
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Another red flag that caught my attention was when all this ABS recall crap went down. All of a sudden there were no Hydraulic Control Units (HCU) for the recall affected bikes available to end users, though they are available for the newer models that aren't affected. Of course, the available HCUs are a completely different part. That tells me that H-D is hiding something. I've wondered if the HCUs that failed were replaced with a newer version or not. Anyone know?
FYI, there are three used HCUs available on eBay for ~$190. I've always wanted to get my hands on one to disassemble and take a look at the insides to try and determine why these things have failed. I ain't paying $190 for one, though.
FYI, there are three used HCUs available on eBay for ~$190. I've always wanted to get my hands on one to disassemble and take a look at the insides to try and determine why these things have failed. I ain't paying $190 for one, though.
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I can tell you that there are three different controllers and they haven't changed from what I can tell. As for the HCU itself? You would have to buy one, band saw it open (it's not serviceable at all) and see if you can determine the issue. Even then, you can't exactly cut open chunks of aluminum, "fix" the issue, then reweld it back with confidence. HD truly needs to come clean with a published redesign.
Tourer
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From: Wichita
questions
Seems like a great product, I would rather do my own work
1) does it do anything to the stock programming that can be seen by Harley to void warranty?
2) is everything the same on a sportster and Road King 2018?
3) when unit is unplugged from motorcycle does it leave a footprint?
4) if put on a new android phone and later on, phone is lost or traded does it easily go to new device without needing anything from your company?
I dont understand anything about installing tuners, I haven't a need to learn. so plug in, bleed, unplug, your done correct?
This would almost pay for itself with 1 visit to the dealer.
1) does it do anything to the stock programming that can be seen by Harley to void warranty?
2) is everything the same on a sportster and Road King 2018?
3) when unit is unplugged from motorcycle does it leave a footprint?
4) if put on a new android phone and later on, phone is lost or traded does it easily go to new device without needing anything from your company?
I dont understand anything about installing tuners, I haven't a need to learn. so plug in, bleed, unplug, your done correct?
This would almost pay for itself with 1 visit to the dealer.
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Yes it is. HD1 is for the older 4 pin/J1850 equipped bikes (i.e. older than 2012 usually) and HD2 is for the newer 6 pin/CAN bus equipped bikes. If you have ABS we have a product.
4) if put on a new android phone and later on, phone is lost or traded does it easily go to new device without needing anything from your company?
I dont understand anything about installing tuners, I haven't a need to learn. so plug in, bleed, unplug, your done correct?
This would almost pay for itself with 1 visit to the dealer.
I dont understand anything about installing tuners, I haven't a need to learn. so plug in, bleed, unplug, your done correct?
This would almost pay for itself with 1 visit to the dealer.
As for value, I firmly believe that this device pays for itself after a single use as I personally recommend flushing your brake fluid annually for cheap insurance against the HCU issues.
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Yeah, I know there are different ABS controllers and those are still available for end users to purchase. It's the HCUs that are MIA. I have a '14 Limited and, even if I had an affected bike, I wouldn't be reusing it anyway. I'm the type that likes to tear into things and see what makes them tick. As far as H-D coming clean, I wouldn't hold my breath. That's not going to happen unless they're taken to court. Even if they are taken to court, my money would be on the case being dismissed with prejudice.
It is said this only affects certain year models, so the issue is framed, ripe, and ready for litigation someday.
From what I have read, the issue has happened front only, or rear only, and very rarely front and back simultaneously - that one would be the doosey, and will probably provide the money shot in court.
No doubt about it, the issue is recall worthy, and not just a flush game and a bony finger pointed at the bike owner.
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for starters..a better video showing the entire process and maybe panned out better to see more. also, the video I saw did not show the process of when the HCU was being recycled where did the fluid go. I did not see where the old fluid from the HCU was bled from the system.
thanks
thanks
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for starters..a better video showing the entire process and maybe panned out better to see more. also, the video I saw did not show the process of when the HCU was being recycled where did the fluid go. I did not see where the old fluid from the HCU was bled from the system.
thanks
thanks
As for the process and the fluid, the HD1/HD2 utilities command the HCU valves open where you are then instructed to pump the lever (or pedal if flushing rear brake) and the fluid is pushed out of the HCU block into the main brake fluid lines. At that point you flush the brakes again (manually/your choice of style of course) and the previously trapped fluid in the HCU is now flushed out of the brake caliper bleeder.
NOTE: The dealership does this exact same process and sequence of events. We made sure to follow and include the factory steps in our product for just this reason.
Here to help and appreciate the interest!
Tourer
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From: Wichita
I'm very interested but I also would like to see a more in-depth video from the start of pulling the cover off getting the right plug to the Finish shutting everything down putting it back together. Brakes is one thing I don't want to screw up. I think you should start a new thread with your product both in the touring and M8 section.