Adding woods 222 cams and porting heads
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I'm always looking for bigger numbers, money included(pun intended).
Right now AEB my sig. I have a 96 motor but purchased a very nice set of 103 heads from a site member, bought the harness and am looking to get a 107 kit for it and will have to re-do everything all over again, cam's included.
Going with 57H's.
Right now AEB my sig. I have a 96 motor but purchased a very nice set of 103 heads from a site member, bought the harness and am looking to get a 107 kit for it and will have to re-do everything all over again, cam's included.
Going with 57H's.
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/multi...isc-items.html
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What is your 57's putting out then?
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I'm always looking for bigger numbers, money included(pun intended).
Right now AEB my sig. I have a 96 motor but purchased a very nice set of 103 heads from a site member, bought the harness and am looking to get a 107 kit for it and will have to re-do everything all over again, cam's included.
Going with 57H's.
Right now AEB my sig. I have a 96 motor but purchased a very nice set of 103 heads from a site member, bought the harness and am looking to get a 107 kit for it and will have to re-do everything all over again, cam's included.
Going with 57H's.
Last edited by rhuff; Oct 11, 2017 at 07:48 PM.
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rob: You're getting some intelligent suggestions, some opinions, and some condescending responses that serve no purpose. Seriously.....call the guys at Fuel Moto ((920) 423-3309)
Or call Hillside ((315) 495-6650)
These guys will give you solid advise based on years of building experience for people ALL over the country, including high altitude. Neither one will lead you down a road that'll leave you unhappy, and neither one will try and up-sell you beyond what your budget can handle.
Good luck!
Or call Hillside ((315) 495-6650)
These guys will give you solid advise based on years of building experience for people ALL over the country, including high altitude. Neither one will lead you down a road that'll leave you unhappy, and neither one will try and up-sell you beyond what your budget can handle.
Good luck!
Sure cant go wrong with the above advice!
Both of them have many yrs of 1st hand experience building motors with proven reliability & good power to draw on along with having a good reputation when it comes to customer service too.
Scott
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Anyway, thanks for posting. I was on the fence about doing any engine work on the Harley mainly because I have a R1 and a ZRX1200 as well. For me, the harley is for cruising, not performance. But with your 96B numbers out of cams, I'm doing it and the 222 will be the route!
Cheers!
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lion: Here's the rub...you were condescending to rob (the OP) right out of the gate after he'd asked a solid question looking for some clear direction, yet now you state you're going to go with 57H cams for your 107 build. When another OP says in response that he's got a set of 57's for sale, you ask what they're putting out. Yet again, you demonstrate that you have your dick out, and you're still trying to measure yours against the length of other's...or you have no clue of what it is you really want to do and why. Come on, man....if you know how a 57H performs, you can bet that the 57 will be close to the same as a 57H (admittedly I have no knowledge of these grinds, but that's not the point, YOU should).
I am not interested in entering into a pissing contest with you, but your hypocrisy is blinding. You should know that not all things are equal, EVEN if his 57 cams came from the EXACT same build that you plan on doing with your motor. You may get better performance and "output" with those same cams, and you may not. I am getting from my 107" build 115 HP, and 130 ft lbs of torque. Real numbers from the best tuner on the west coast, and resultant from a solid build which was an extension of solid planning which included Fuel Moto input in every detail. I could tell you exactly what I did, you could duplicate it, and very likely not get the same kind of dyno numbers and performance that I do, tuner being the same with the same dyno and equipment....and it would come down to all the difference between where I live and where you live. If we measured my bike in S. Dakota, it certainly would not show the "output" there that I get here. So everything is relative, and the variables are legion; too many to be counted!
Your first post, and those following have been of no use to the OP. It doesn't matter what he has now, he wants more. You do too. We all do. In that spirit, offer up some cool advise rather than condescend to him as to why he would want more if he's already got 100, and end up in a pissing contest with rhuff. Hopefully rob is long gone in a complete tail spin by now with all the cool info that he's gotten from Hillside and or Fuel Moto, and he's setting aside the dough for real improvements for his high altitude riding.
Right?!
I am not interested in entering into a pissing contest with you, but your hypocrisy is blinding. You should know that not all things are equal, EVEN if his 57 cams came from the EXACT same build that you plan on doing with your motor. You may get better performance and "output" with those same cams, and you may not. I am getting from my 107" build 115 HP, and 130 ft lbs of torque. Real numbers from the best tuner on the west coast, and resultant from a solid build which was an extension of solid planning which included Fuel Moto input in every detail. I could tell you exactly what I did, you could duplicate it, and very likely not get the same kind of dyno numbers and performance that I do, tuner being the same with the same dyno and equipment....and it would come down to all the difference between where I live and where you live. If we measured my bike in S. Dakota, it certainly would not show the "output" there that I get here. So everything is relative, and the variables are legion; too many to be counted!
Your first post, and those following have been of no use to the OP. It doesn't matter what he has now, he wants more. You do too. We all do. In that spirit, offer up some cool advise rather than condescend to him as to why he would want more if he's already got 100, and end up in a pissing contest with rhuff. Hopefully rob is long gone in a complete tail spin by now with all the cool info that he's gotten from Hillside and or Fuel Moto, and he's setting aside the dough for real improvements for his high altitude riding.
Right?!
Last edited by gipper; Oct 11, 2017 at 09:58 PM.
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lion: Here's the rub...you were condescended to rob (the OP) right out of the gate after he'd asked a solid question looking for some clear direction, yet now you state you're going to go with 57H cams for your 107 build. When another OP says in response that he's got a set of 57's for sale, you ask what they're putting out. Yet again, you demonstrate that you have your dick out, and you're still trying to measure yours against the length of other's...or you have no clue on what it is you really want to do and why. Come on, man....if you know how a 57H performs, you can bet that the 57 will be close to the same as a 57H (admittedly I have no knowledge of these grinds, but that's not the point, YOU should).
I am not interested in entering into a pissing contest with you, but your hypocrisy is blinding. You should know that not all things are equal, EVEN if his 57 cams came from the EXACT same build that you plan on doing with your motor. You may get better performance and "output" with those same cams, and you may not. I am getting from my 107" build 115 HP, and 130 ft lbs of torque. Real numbers from the best tuner on the west coast, and resultant from a solid build which was an extension of solid planning which included Fuel Moto input in every detail. I could tell you exactly what I did, you could duplicate it, and very likely not get the same kind of dyno numbers and performance that I do, tuner being the same with the same dyno and equipment....and it would come down to all the difference between where I live and where you live. If we measured my bike in S. Dakota, it certainly would not show the "output" there that I get here. So everything is relative, and the variables are legion; too many to be counted!
Your first post, and those following have been of no use to the OP. It doesn't matter what he has now, he wants more. You do too. We all do. In that spirit, offer up some cool advise rather than condescend to him as to why he would want more if he's already got 100, and end up in a pissing contest with rhuff. Hopefully rob is long gone in a complete tail spin by now with all the cool info that he's gotten from Hillside and or Fuel Moto, and he's setting aside the dough for real improvements for his high altitude riding.
Right?!
I am not interested in entering into a pissing contest with you, but your hypocrisy is blinding. You should know that not all things are equal, EVEN if his 57 cams came from the EXACT same build that you plan on doing with your motor. You may get better performance and "output" with those same cams, and you may not. I am getting from my 107" build 115 HP, and 130 ft lbs of torque. Real numbers from the best tuner on the west coast, and resultant from a solid build which was an extension of solid planning which included Fuel Moto input in every detail. I could tell you exactly what I did, you could duplicate it, and very likely not get the same kind of dyno numbers and performance that I do, tuner being the same with the same dyno and equipment....and it would come down to all the difference between where I live and where you live. If we measured my bike in S. Dakota, it certainly would not show the "output" there that I get here. So everything is relative, and the variables are legion; too many to be counted!
Your first post, and those following have been of no use to the OP. It doesn't matter what he has now, he wants more. You do too. We all do. In that spirit, offer up some cool advise rather than condescend to him as to why he would want more if he's already got 100, and end up in a pissing contest with rhuff. Hopefully rob is long gone in a complete tail spin by now with all the cool info that he's gotten from Hillside and or Fuel Moto, and he's setting aside the dough for real improvements for his high altitude riding.
Right?!
Not my thing.
Never said all things were equal ever.
Don't know what 57's put out.
I guess it's a moot point at this point.
I'll figure it out.
Big Boyz http://www.bigboyzheadporting.com/tccams.htm
http://www.easternperformance.com/57h-cam-set.html
Thanked the poster for the link too in case you did not see that.
OP's questions were not clear.
Was I being sarcastic, yes due to just that.
Altitude riding, okay.
Funny thing is I've never heard anyone that I have ridden with that has ever run Bear Tooth Pass or Red lodge in Montana ever mention a word about altitude. Maybe if you're still running a "carb" but few are these days.
Carb bikes pretty much went out with evo's and to my knowledge those have not been on bikes since 99. I had one until 07 and even then slightly noticeable once in a while.
Fuel injection no effect that I've ever heard of from anyone.
That's my spin on "altitude".
But hey what ever works for you, right?
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222's nope.
My 525's are as much of a low end cam that I want and work fine for the 96.
They were a Frank Drago recommendation.
Maybe they would work for you though.
My 525's are as much of a low end cam that I want and work fine for the 96.
They were a Frank Drago recommendation.
Maybe they would work for you though.
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no interest in measuring dicks. - then tuck it back in[/color]
Not my thing.
Never said all things were equal ever. [color="red"]
don't know what 57's put out. - do your due diligence based on what you have on your bike...that's the point!
i guess it's a moot point at this point. - okay
i'll figure it out. - by all means!
big boyz http://www.bigboyzheadporting.com/tccams.htm
http://www.easternperformance.com/57h-cam-set.html
thanked the poster for the link too in case you did not see that.
Op's questions were not clear. - guess at least a couple of us intuitively understood after a couple of his posts
was i being sarcastic, yes due to just that.
Altitude riding, okay.
Funny thing is i've never heard anyone that i have ridden with that has ever run bear tooth pass or red lodge in montana ever mention a word about altitude. Maybe if you're still running a "carb" but few are these days.
Carb bikes pretty much went out with evo's and to my knowledge those have not been on bikes since 99. I had one until 07 and even then slightly noticeable once in a while.
Fuel injection no effect that i've ever heard of from anyone.
That's my spin on "altitude". - i'm speechless....
but hey what ever works for you, right?
Not my thing.
Never said all things were equal ever. [color="red"]
don't know what 57's put out. - do your due diligence based on what you have on your bike...that's the point!
i guess it's a moot point at this point. - okay
i'll figure it out. - by all means!
big boyz http://www.bigboyzheadporting.com/tccams.htm
http://www.easternperformance.com/57h-cam-set.html
thanked the poster for the link too in case you did not see that.
Op's questions were not clear. - guess at least a couple of us intuitively understood after a couple of his posts
was i being sarcastic, yes due to just that.
Altitude riding, okay.
Funny thing is i've never heard anyone that i have ridden with that has ever run bear tooth pass or red lodge in montana ever mention a word about altitude. Maybe if you're still running a "carb" but few are these days.
Carb bikes pretty much went out with evo's and to my knowledge those have not been on bikes since 99. I had one until 07 and even then slightly noticeable once in a while.
Fuel injection no effect that i've ever heard of from anyone.
That's my spin on "altitude". - i'm speechless....
but hey what ever works for you, right?
Last edited by gipper; Oct 11, 2017 at 10:20 PM.
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I hope no one in here is debating the effects of altitude (air density) on horsepower!
https://www.cycleworld.com/2015/06/2...ill-climb-race
https://www.cycleworld.com/2015/06/2...ill-climb-race