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Old Apr 12, 2018 | 06:28 PM
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As mentioned, metallurgy whether Chinese or German doesn't matter. And I familiar with Chinese metal or as I call it Chetal. The metal valves in the HCU are surrounded with o-rings. It's the o-rings and moisture ladened crystallized Dot4 that cause the issue. Those crystals (or some refer to as sludge) that develop behind the valves is disrupted and allowed to escape forward of the valve when the solenoid is energized thus moving the valve forward into the bypass position. Then the crystals/sludge become lodged between the o-ring and port thus prohibiting the valve from returning to it's normal position. Once the pump shuts down the end result is the master cylinder being cutoff from the caliper.
 

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Old Apr 12, 2018 | 07:54 PM
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As mentioned, metallurgy whether Chinese or German doesn't matter. And I familiar with Chinese metal or as I call it Chetal. The metal valves in the HCU are surrounded with o-rings. It's the o-rings and moisture ladened crystallized Dot4 that cause the issue. Those crystals (or some refer to as sludge) that develop behind the valves is disrupted and allowed to escape forward of the valve when the solenoid is energized thus moving the valve forward into the bypass position. Then the crystals/sludge become lodged between the o-ring and port thus prohibiting the valve from returning to it's normal position. Once the pump shuts down the end result is the master cylinder being cutoff from the caliper.
OK, I went back and reread your post. I have to admit, it's one of the better explanations out there.
 
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Old Apr 13, 2018 | 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by FPV
As mentioned, metallurgy whether Chinese or German doesn't matter. And I familiar with Chinese metal or as I call it Chetal. The metal valves in the HCU are surrounded with o-rings. It's the o-rings and moisture ladened crystallized Dot4 that cause the issue. Those crystals (or some refer to as sludge) that develop behind the valves is disrupted and allowed to escape forward of the valve when the solenoid is energized thus moving the valve forward into the bypass position. Then the crystals/sludge become lodged between the o-ring and port thus prohibiting the valve from returning to it's normal position. Once the pump shuts down the end result is the master cylinder being cutoff from the caliper.
So then anybody could take it apart, with the correct tools of course, an clean it and reinstall it and should be good to go?
 
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Old Apr 13, 2018 | 02:05 PM
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I wouldn't go so far as to say that. The unit #48343-09 is assembled in a way as to render it non-serviceable. Even though the valves can be removed from the inside once the pump motor is removed those valves were originally installed from the outside of the housing then capped and the pump motor is a light press fit. Take a look at the second video by John Maxwell in post #10 of this thread. Start at around 6 minutes into the video. You'll get an idea of how taking the HCU apart essentially destroys it.
The key to avoiding failure is to never let the brake fluid reach an excess of 4% moisture. If that has occurred before the current owner purchased the bike then odds are not in favor of the unit lasting no matter what level of maintenance is performed.
 
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Old Apr 13, 2018 | 02:11 PM
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Since you suspect yours of being bad, you've nothing to lose by taking it out and taking it apart. The videos above give some help, but it looks like it actually could be completely disassembled with standard hand tools, and then cleaned up and reassembled.
It seems to me that the videos show that you can not disassemble the unit with standard hand tools and the tech says that the hcu is not serviceable.
 
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It seems to me that the videos show that you can not disassemble the unit with standard hand tools and the tech says that the hcu is not serviceable.
Perhaps. But there is nothing to lose by trying on a failed unit. Personally, I've taken apart and repaired many non-serviceable items.
 
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Old Apr 13, 2018 | 08:58 PM
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Perhaps. But there is nothing to lose by trying on a failed unit. Personally, I've taken apart and repaired many non-serviceable items.
For most non-serviceable components, you can't repair them because the manufacturer doesn't sell parts. The best you can do is refurbish the failed parts, which I wouldn't chance doing on a critical component such as an HCU.
 
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Old Apr 14, 2018 | 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by GalvTexGuy
For most non-serviceable components, you can't repair them because the manufacturer doesn't sell parts. The best you can do is refurbish the failed parts, which I wouldn't chance doing on a critical component such as an HCU.
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The HCU appears to be a nice chunk of billet aluminum and would make an excellent paper weight and conversation starter.
 
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Originally Posted by GalvTexGuy
For most non-serviceable components, you can't repair them because the manufacturer doesn't sell parts. The best you can do is refurbish the failed parts, which I wouldn't chance doing on a critical component such as an HCU.
Your choice. Folk have repaired many a non-serviceable item with success.

Harley says the shocks are sealed and non-serviceable and won't sell any parts for them. Showa sells parts to rebuild the shocks though, and even provides some tuning information. Just an example of going around the obstacles and getting it done.

if one opened up the HCU and found rusted/pitted metal, that likely would be the end, unless replacement parts were found or made. But, if it's merely sludge buildup, a simple cleaning would get them moving and working again.

If I had a failed HCU, I'd find it worthwhile to explore it and see if I could fix it. But that's just me.
 
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