Isolated Drive System insall
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RE: Isolated Drive System insall
I've been reading this thread with interest. Why is it just '07 and later models need this update, because of the 6 speed? Would this kit fit my '05 RK, and if it did what would it do?
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RE: Isolated Drive System insall
ORIGINAL: PhilM
Why is this so intriguing?
Is there some problem that was born with the 2007 models that I have not expereinced?Call me stupid, but it seems like a "fix" for something that wasn't broken and not only are they making $$$ on the "conversion kit", it's a perpetual revenue stream, as the isolators will need regular replacement. I can't wait to see how much they charge to replace them, while the wheel is off for a tire. I bet it's an extra hour labor to install a bag of rubber widgets that are manufactured for $1/set and sell for $59.95....
What am I missing?
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Why is this so intriguing?
Is there some problem that was born with the 2007 models that I have not expereinced?Call me stupid, but it seems like a "fix" for something that wasn't broken and not only are they making $$$ on the "conversion kit", it's a perpetual revenue stream, as the isolators will need regular replacement. I can't wait to see how much they charge to replace them, while the wheel is off for a tire. I bet it's an extra hour labor to install a bag of rubber widgets that are manufactured for $1/set and sell for $59.95....
What am I missing?
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RE: Isolated Drive System insall
Thanks for the report hojones. Sounds very promising. I have been experiencing the rattling. I've tried to keep the rpms up to minimize the noise but there is no doubt that it's annoying. I too think that thecompany should pay for the retrofit and by the way, $300.00 for this kit is a little steep for something they should have fixed.
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RE: Isolated Drive System install
Everybody repeat after me; the IDS is not a fix, it is a band aid on a much deeper problem. Has any body paid attention tothe wild tolerances found with these 07 tranny/engine? Correctly build the engine/tranny and you won't need the IDS (band aid). Also, the IDS (band aid) doesn't do anything to correct the out of spec engine/tranny, and neither will the IDS (band aid)prevent the engine/tranny from coming a part, which will be sooner than later.
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RE: Isolated Drive System insall
ORIGINAL: Dalton
I dont have any issues with vibration, noises, etc and can run around all day long in 5th at 50 mph, but only after modifying the engine.
I dont have any issues with vibration, noises, etc and can run around all day long in 5th at 50 mph, but only after modifying the engine.
Problem with the 07's is the torque curve, running lean to meet EPA requirements and also the difference in the gear ratios that popped up in 07. This is like installing a second compensator sprocket to take some of the lash outta the system.
Thing is with this sprocket dampener (I'm pretty sure my first-year Honda Interceptor had one in '83 (or thereabouts)) it's not taking lash out, it's putting more in. But it's a soft lash and mostly goes unnoticed.
I wonder how much torque/Hp it will withstand before trying to self destruct?
RE: Isolated Drive System insall
I think I will get one in time for my new tyre, may as well do it all in one hit.
I dont get some of the comments above, I dont see the IDS as a fix for anything, it will just make for a smoother ride thats all. They should have been fitted to all HD models as stock since the 1970's. Hell my 1976 Kawasaki Z1b had them as standard, as did every bike right upto my tuned Triumph Speed Triple. As for service, well I changed them on my Z1, but only because I was doing a complete overhall and they were so cheap that it wasnt worth leaving them in, but that said I couldnt see anything wrong with the old ones.
My mates Suzuki 2006 GSXR1000 has them and you cannot tell me that a HD is going to give the rubber dampers a harder btime than that.
Service item, yes, wear item yes, problem no. Everything on a bike is a wear item, and will eventually need changing, but if they last as long as the belt who cares.
Just MHO
Wb
I dont get some of the comments above, I dont see the IDS as a fix for anything, it will just make for a smoother ride thats all. They should have been fitted to all HD models as stock since the 1970's. Hell my 1976 Kawasaki Z1b had them as standard, as did every bike right upto my tuned Triumph Speed Triple. As for service, well I changed them on my Z1, but only because I was doing a complete overhall and they were so cheap that it wasnt worth leaving them in, but that said I couldnt see anything wrong with the old ones.
My mates Suzuki 2006 GSXR1000 has them and you cannot tell me that a HD is going to give the rubber dampers a harder btime than that.
Service item, yes, wear item yes, problem no. Everything on a bike is a wear item, and will eventually need changing, but if they last as long as the belt who cares.
Just MHO
Wb
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RE: Isolated Drive System insall
ORIGINAL: lp
So... I should not buy one becauseyour bike runs perfect? I don't get it.
If some of these guyswant to spend 216 bucks on a band aid let'em.
What I also don't get is some people trying to make people feel bad for buying Harley's fix for the problem.
What am I missing?
So... I should not buy one becauseyour bike runs perfect? I don't get it.
If some of these guyswant to spend 216 bucks on a band aid let'em.
What I also don't get is some people trying to make people feel bad for buying Harley's fix for the problem.
What am I missing?
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I did all the so-called necessary upgrades too, i.e. V&H Ovals, SE Breather, PC III Fueler, Mobil-1 Oil,that many claimed would stop the clatter noise, vibration, heat issue, surging, phantom neutral, non of which made much differencewith the 07 issues. Yes, my Ultra Clatter performs 100% better, but the issues that many are claiming are due toan improperly tuned engine are mostly still there, and a big down side to the upgrades is MOCO has flagged my bikes VIN for warranty cancellation, as though the 07's have any decent warranty any way! The clatter noise, vibration, phantom neutral, and the likes, are NOT from a poorly tuned engine, these issue stem from a poorly built engine/tranny who both are way out specs by way of wild tolerances. If you want the IDS for a band aid then go for it, but if you want to fix your bike the proper way by getting to the root of the problem, thenput your money and energy into making MOCO, and their crony stealer's fix the problem, the right way! Or just keep buying from MOCO, they don't bind taking your money and selling you substandard bikes, they'll make the money, and you'll just keep trying to fix your bike, at your expense, by putting band-aids on it. Would you keep buying food from a grocery store that you get food poisoning from because they kept selling you the medicine to make the poison go away? Why not change stores and fix the problem permanently? MOCO is going to laugh all the way to the bank with this IDS thing, they haven't given anything, just threwfake bone at the owners expense.
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RE: Isolated Drive System insall
rmsurveyors, you sure like that band aid word thing don't ya?
IDS or what ever HD calls it has been around for decades. On Metrics! they hold up well and should, considering most crotch rockets pull much heavier torque and horsepower loads, last quite a long time
IDS or what ever HD calls it has been around for decades. On Metrics! they hold up well and should, considering most crotch rockets pull much heavier torque and horsepower loads, last quite a long time