Isolated Drive System insall
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From: Ashby, Ma
RE: Isolated Drive System insall
I'll prolly get one when I need a rear and have it install at the same time.. seems like a good idea. Would be nice if it was a recall or H-D discounted the parts/labor, but it still feels like a worthwhile upgrade.
I hope it doesn't go too smooth on me. It'll still feels like a V-twinwon'tit?
I hope it doesn't go too smooth on me. It'll still feels like a V-twinwon'tit?
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From: Northeast Ohio
RE: Isolated Drive System insall
No disrepect to hojones, just stating my opinion. I too think it is a (no I wont use the "band aid" words) substitute for actually fixing what is causing the issues (notice, i didn't say defects as nothing has broken yet that I know of) of a design that has caused complaints. If it works, great! If not, HD has once again created a revenue stream from something that is a perceived performance item.
lp, I too will be waiting for yours and other's opinions that have installed the IDS. Too early in the 08 line to know what else they have done other than the IDS to fix what others reference as clatter. I fortunately have never had clatter, but do have the whine, but it is all part of the character of the bike. Let us know what you think!
rmsurveyor, hope your lawsuit goes well, but I for one will keep on buying HD's and sinking money in them as I really like wrenching on them, personalizing the look and then starting over again when I cant go no further. This one I have fixed the heat issue and rideability by buillding the engine, and its a blast to ride. May even rebuild bigger over the winter, that is the appeal of HD, what you can continue to do, or not do.
lp, I too will be waiting for yours and other's opinions that have installed the IDS. Too early in the 08 line to know what else they have done other than the IDS to fix what others reference as clatter. I fortunately have never had clatter, but do have the whine, but it is all part of the character of the bike. Let us know what you think!
rmsurveyor, hope your lawsuit goes well, but I for one will keep on buying HD's and sinking money in them as I really like wrenching on them, personalizing the look and then starting over again when I cant go no further. This one I have fixed the heat issue and rideability by buillding the engine, and its a blast to ride. May even rebuild bigger over the winter, that is the appeal of HD, what you can continue to do, or not do.
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ORIGINAL: UltraKla$$ic
Yup, buy it and if it don't work I'll give you half of what you paid -20% for touching it.
ORIGINAL: Puttnutt24
My question, and it's probebly a little to early to ask ,but what wheel's will this fit and not fit? here is harley's discription right out of the book....
Original Equipment and Harley-Davidson® accessory wheels. Will not fit with 80-Spoke Laced Wheel P/N 42954-04, Polished Spun Aluminum Disc Wheel P/N 43760-03 or Slotted Six Spoke Wheel P/N 43932-02 (chrome) or 43933-02 (black)
I'd love to add this to my Street Glide but I'm running after market wheels (16" Black Bike Cycle Custom wheels) Is there any way other then purchasing this and attempting to bolt in on to find out if they will work? Good question, I hope I hear a good answer, thx, Rich A
My question, and it's probebly a little to early to ask ,but what wheel's will this fit and not fit? here is harley's discription right out of the book....
Original Equipment and Harley-Davidson® accessory wheels. Will not fit with 80-Spoke Laced Wheel P/N 42954-04, Polished Spun Aluminum Disc Wheel P/N 43760-03 or Slotted Six Spoke Wheel P/N 43932-02 (chrome) or 43933-02 (black)
I'd love to add this to my Street Glide but I'm running after market wheels (16" Black Bike Cycle Custom wheels) Is there any way other then purchasing this and attempting to bolt in on to find out if they will work? Good question, I hope I hear a good answer, thx, Rich A
Oh! your wrong..rflmao. That was funny. We do need a little humor though.
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From: Grand Island , New York
RE: Isolated Drive System install
Can I put a band aid over your mouth ? LOL
ORIGINAL: rmsurveyors
Everybody repeat after me; the IDS is not a fix, it is a band aid on a much deeper problem. Has any body paid attention tothe wild tolerances found with these 07 tranny/engine? Correctly build the engine/tranny and you won't need the IDS (band aid). Also, the IDS (band aid) doesn't do anything to correct the out of spec engine/tranny, and neither will the IDS (band aid)prevent the engine/tranny from coming a part, which will be sooner than later.
Everybody repeat after me; the IDS is not a fix, it is a band aid on a much deeper problem. Has any body paid attention tothe wild tolerances found with these 07 tranny/engine? Correctly build the engine/tranny and you won't need the IDS (band aid). Also, the IDS (band aid) doesn't do anything to correct the out of spec engine/tranny, and neither will the IDS (band aid)prevent the engine/tranny from coming a part, which will be sooner than later.
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You cant blame the man for being shoved into a corner,having a dealer that wont take care of his bike.I do believe this kit is going to quiet alot of owners.I also believe Hd has come up with a fix for some bikes.Just in the past week two owners that have voiced clattering bikes now dont have this problem after dealer visits.Again no paper trail.
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RE: Isolated Drive System insall
Guess my one hope was deleted...
leave no trace man...
Seeing how I like the direction the conversation is heading again (more positive) I'll just add a few things so people won't think I'm just waiting for some kinda miracle to happen that probably won't.
First I can't see how the IDS will ever change the whine in 5th gear. We all know what causes that and it ain't nothing to do with the compensator sprocket etc.
The only real "fix" for the whine is the F6F that Bert Baker is selling. It goes for about 1000 bucks...so I'm not going there. Many have controlled the sound with better fluids etc, but hey it is what it is..straight cut gears.
I really don't care about the whine. I just got lounder pipes and that seems to keep it away from my ears.
OK my 2 cents on the IDS and what it does:
Well it's already been established that the metrics have been using it for years as has the V-Rod with its 120 HP. I think HD can handle the design and make it trust worthy. They are already doing it...
People are going argue that it shouldn't be needed, well yeah I see your point and thats true but where is that going to get us? It's not going to make anything better to sit around and bicker about what should have been.
On a technological stand point it makes sense that an engine with this much stroke, and not being inherently balanced, is going to create pulses that are going to be amplified on several orders of magnatude through the slack in the primary chain, tranny etc etc. This is the dreaded clatter "some" of us hear; not all of us, some of us. It resonates at its weakest point, the compensator sprocket or there-abouts. So.. since you have these oscillations in the drive train it makes sense that putting a oscillation inhibitor or absorber right at the collection point would do the job. Something made of rubber or plastic. But how do you make a comp sprocket out of rubber or plastic that will turn 6.5K RPM and not self destruct? You don't.
So HD figures out that the best place to put this absorber without redesigning the primary, it's guts,or the trannyis at the far end of the drive train in the form of a sprocket isolator. It costs 200 bucks (but it's back ordered at zanotti's, go figure).
So.. when I dish out my cash, my engineering brain is telling me..hey this might work. It sounds plausable, seen it in practice, why not right?
If it doesn't work, well..thats my bust. Money wasted. I've done worse.
For the record, this is a 07 SG with 10000 miles bought in August last year.
Has 5th whine, and clatter in 5th and 6th at 3000+RPM under light and heavy load.
lp
leave no trace man...Seeing how I like the direction the conversation is heading again (more positive) I'll just add a few things so people won't think I'm just waiting for some kinda miracle to happen that probably won't.
First I can't see how the IDS will ever change the whine in 5th gear. We all know what causes that and it ain't nothing to do with the compensator sprocket etc.
The only real "fix" for the whine is the F6F that Bert Baker is selling. It goes for about 1000 bucks...so I'm not going there. Many have controlled the sound with better fluids etc, but hey it is what it is..straight cut gears.
I really don't care about the whine. I just got lounder pipes and that seems to keep it away from my ears.
OK my 2 cents on the IDS and what it does:
Well it's already been established that the metrics have been using it for years as has the V-Rod with its 120 HP. I think HD can handle the design and make it trust worthy. They are already doing it...
People are going argue that it shouldn't be needed, well yeah I see your point and thats true but where is that going to get us? It's not going to make anything better to sit around and bicker about what should have been.
On a technological stand point it makes sense that an engine with this much stroke, and not being inherently balanced, is going to create pulses that are going to be amplified on several orders of magnatude through the slack in the primary chain, tranny etc etc. This is the dreaded clatter "some" of us hear; not all of us, some of us. It resonates at its weakest point, the compensator sprocket or there-abouts. So.. since you have these oscillations in the drive train it makes sense that putting a oscillation inhibitor or absorber right at the collection point would do the job. Something made of rubber or plastic. But how do you make a comp sprocket out of rubber or plastic that will turn 6.5K RPM and not self destruct? You don't.
So HD figures out that the best place to put this absorber without redesigning the primary, it's guts,or the trannyis at the far end of the drive train in the form of a sprocket isolator. It costs 200 bucks (but it's back ordered at zanotti's, go figure).
So.. when I dish out my cash, my engineering brain is telling me..hey this might work. It sounds plausable, seen it in practice, why not right?
If it doesn't work, well..thats my bust. Money wasted. I've done worse.
For the record, this is a 07 SG with 10000 miles bought in August last year.
Has 5th whine, and clatter in 5th and 6th at 3000+RPM under light and heavy load.
lp
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RE: Isolated Drive System insall
I guess I was too late. Would love to read the "deleted" post........
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Here is a copy of the deleted article
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ORIGINAL: hojones
I installed the Isolated Drive System on my 2007 Ultra classic, so here is my evaluation of it. After the wheel is removed it is about a 45 minute job to get the wheel ready to go back. Instructions a very clear and don’t need any special tools except for a press. The large spacer on the left side of wheel is replaced with a thin spacer. Bolts come with lock tight on them. Unit seems to be very well made.
Putting wheel back on is a little tight because the large spacer on left is gone but with a little patience it is accomplished. Be sure to have the sprocket seated all the way because it is free floating.
Rode the bike and saw an immediate difference. The bike seems to have a different personality. The noise that was there due to lugging is gone. In 5th gear the compensating sprocket noise is completely gone. 6th gear I lugged the bike down to 40 mph @ 1500 rpm and it was quiet. I did this on purpose to see if the compensating sprocket would start hammering. It was quiet. Put it on the Interstate at 75 mph in 6th gear. It was a totally different bike.
In my opinion, this is the best improvement that I’ve made to this bike. At first I was a little hesitant because of the price. It is well built and most important makes a good bike even better.
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ORIGINAL: hojones
I installed the Isolated Drive System on my 2007 Ultra classic, so here is my evaluation of it. After the wheel is removed it is about a 45 minute job to get the wheel ready to go back. Instructions a very clear and don’t need any special tools except for a press. The large spacer on the left side of wheel is replaced with a thin spacer. Bolts come with lock tight on them. Unit seems to be very well made.
Putting wheel back on is a little tight because the large spacer on left is gone but with a little patience it is accomplished. Be sure to have the sprocket seated all the way because it is free floating.
Rode the bike and saw an immediate difference. The bike seems to have a different personality. The noise that was there due to lugging is gone. In 5th gear the compensating sprocket noise is completely gone. 6th gear I lugged the bike down to 40 mph @ 1500 rpm and it was quiet. I did this on purpose to see if the compensating sprocket would start hammering. It was quiet. Put it on the Interstate at 75 mph in 6th gear. It was a totally different bike.
In my opinion, this is the best improvement that I’ve made to this bike. At first I was a little hesitant because of the price. It is well built and most important makes a good bike even better.