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Shop around @BumECarlos . Not all dealerships offer the same deals. Some aren't even close. I just bought a new Heritage a few months ago, and the differences between the dealerships was basically astounding. None haggled over the price, it was MSRP. One (maybe two) had a surcharge on top of MSRP. One did not offer Harley financing, so no low interest loan. One offered the shipping charge as free credit for accessories. Trade in value on my RK was anywhere from $0 (we won't take it) to $4,000. This was all within 100 miles of me.
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Dont you think this is a gross oversimplification? Just because both parties agree doesnt prove anything. People are ripped off all the time because one side has information and knowledge the other side doesnt have. Some folks have little to no understanding about how finances work and they get suckered and lied to by unethical people and companies. If you dont believe this happens then you are in denial and are living under a rock.
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Someone walking into a dealership to buy a new Harley better know what the transaction is worth to them. Neither side has all of the information. The customer had no idea how much the dealership has in the bike and the dealership has no idea what the customer is willing to pay. There will never be laws setting the profits on a new motorcycle. It is not a necessity in life that requires regulations.
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Don’t you think this is a gross oversimplification? Just because both parties agree doesn’t prove anything. People are ripped off all the time because one side has information and knowledge the other side doesn’t have. Some folks have little to no understanding about how finances work and they get suckered and lied to by unethical people and companies. If you don’t believe this happens then you are in denial and are living under a rock.
Sorry, I will have to respectfully disagree....
It certainly happens all the time, but someone's ignorance about the situation they find themselves in, is nobodies fault but their own... Caveat Emptor!
Don't be an emotional buyer, be an informed buyer... That is the buyer's responsibility.
I have no respect or support for unscrupulous people and/or sales practices. If and when they actually violate the law, I strongly believe they should be held accountable...
But if you go through life expecting everybody else to be responsible for your welfare, you will have a pretty rough time of it.
IMHO...
It is an epidemic, on all issues these days, where people are letting others do their thinking for them. That is sad, and caters to all the manipulative people in the world... Even the evening news these days has more opinion than fact...
I always gather information, and form my own opinions. Popular opinions are for social media. When it comes to managing my life and my money, MY opinion (as informed as I can make it) is all I care about....
If you want to buy anything, especially a big ticket item, you should take your time and do some research about the product, prices, and issues...
Talking with a salesman for your information IS NOT research...
Do some real research, then make an informed choice. If you are informed about your purchase, you can always say "no" and walk away from a deal you don't like... The unscrupulous sellers hold no sway on an informed buyer.... It is always the buyers decision whether or not to sign on the dotted line..
If you let others do your thinking for you, you get what you deserve...
Of course, anyone has the right to disagree with me. I am only sharing my personal opinion...
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Sorry, I will have to respectfully disagree....
It certainly happens all the time, but someone's ignorance about the situation they find themselves in, is nobodies fault but their own... Caveat Emptor!
Don't be an emotional buyer, be an informed buyer... That is the buyer's responsibility.
I have no respect or support for unscrupulous people and/or sales practices. If and when they actually violate the law, I strongly believe they should be held accountable...
But if you go through life expecting everybody else to be responsible for your welfare, you will have a pretty rough time of it.
IMHO...
It is an epidemic, on all issues these days, where people are letting others do their thinking for them. That is sad, and caters to all the manipulative people in the world... Even the evening news these days has more opinion than fact...
I always gather information, and form my own opinions. Popular opinions are for social media. When it comes to managing my life and my money, MY opinion (as informed as I can make it) is all I care about....
If you want to buy anything, especially a big ticket item, you should take your time and do some research about the product, prices, and issues...
Talking with a salesman for your information IS NOT research...
Do some real research, then make an informed choice. If you are informed about your purchase, you can always say "no" and walk away from a deal you don't like... The unscrupulous sellers hold no sway on an informed buyer.... It is always the buyers decision whether or not to sign on the dotted line..
If you let others do your thinking for you, you get what you deserve...
Of course, anyone has the right to disagree with me. I am only sharing my personal opinion...
It certainly happens all the time, but someone's ignorance about the situation they find themselves in, is nobodies fault but their own... Caveat Emptor!
Don't be an emotional buyer, be an informed buyer... That is the buyer's responsibility.
I have no respect or support for unscrupulous people and/or sales practices. If and when they actually violate the law, I strongly believe they should be held accountable...
But if you go through life expecting everybody else to be responsible for your welfare, you will have a pretty rough time of it.
IMHO...
It is an epidemic, on all issues these days, where people are letting others do their thinking for them. That is sad, and caters to all the manipulative people in the world... Even the evening news these days has more opinion than fact...
I always gather information, and form my own opinions. Popular opinions are for social media. When it comes to managing my life and my money, MY opinion (as informed as I can make it) is all I care about....
If you want to buy anything, especially a big ticket item, you should take your time and do some research about the product, prices, and issues...
Talking with a salesman for your information IS NOT research...
Do some real research, then make an informed choice. If you are informed about your purchase, you can always say "no" and walk away from a deal you don't like... The unscrupulous sellers hold no sway on an informed buyer.... It is always the buyers decision whether or not to sign on the dotted line..
If you let others do your thinking for you, you get what you deserve...
Of course, anyone has the right to disagree with me. I am only sharing my personal opinion...
i am simply stating that folks do get ripped off from unethical individuals and companies. There are consumer protection laws for a reason (I am not lobbying for more). I am simply acknowledging that people get ripped off all the time in transactions and to state that it doesnt happen is way oversimplifying reality.
Most everything else you state, I agree with. Anyway, I think the horse has been sufficiently beat to death on this topic.
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