LONG crank when cold.
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6th Gear
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LONG crank when cold.
Hello everyone. New to this forum. I recently purchased a 2007 Electra Glide Twin cam. Really nice bike.
Anyways, I have some problems with it. When its cold, it cranks for a long time, like 10 seconds, no start, just turning over. Then, when I release the ignition button after the failed attempt, it sputters loudly one time out the tail pipe. Just one loud Tuft sound. A few more failed attempts, then it will finally start. Starter fluid has no effect. After I ride it, itll start back up no problem. (Hot starts are fine). The bike will run around all day like this basically. Once its running, it runs great. Tons of power, doesnt lack or hesitate at all. Also the fuel gauge is inaccurate. Like very inaccurate. It pretty much reads anywhere from 3/4 to full all the time. The low fuel light will come on after 150-200 miles as it should, but the gauge doesnt change.
no check engine light, but I did check codes anyway:
I have one single code.
B1005- Fuel Level Sending Unit High/Open
Im sure this has something to do with the fuel gauge being inaccurate, but is there any correlation to the long crank?
today I got curious and pulled the fuel assembly out the tank. Everything appears to be in good shape. Clean, float isnt stuck, filter isnt all full of crap. Gas looks good.
Anyways, I have some problems with it. When its cold, it cranks for a long time, like 10 seconds, no start, just turning over. Then, when I release the ignition button after the failed attempt, it sputters loudly one time out the tail pipe. Just one loud Tuft sound. A few more failed attempts, then it will finally start. Starter fluid has no effect. After I ride it, itll start back up no problem. (Hot starts are fine). The bike will run around all day like this basically. Once its running, it runs great. Tons of power, doesnt lack or hesitate at all. Also the fuel gauge is inaccurate. Like very inaccurate. It pretty much reads anywhere from 3/4 to full all the time. The low fuel light will come on after 150-200 miles as it should, but the gauge doesnt change.
no check engine light, but I did check codes anyway:
I have one single code.
B1005- Fuel Level Sending Unit High/Open
Im sure this has something to do with the fuel gauge being inaccurate, but is there any correlation to the long crank?
today I got curious and pulled the fuel assembly out the tank. Everything appears to be in good shape. Clean, float isnt stuck, filter isnt all full of crap. Gas looks good.
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6th Gear
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From: Louisiana
I havent checked the plugs honestly. Just because of the fact that it runs so good once its running. Figured they must be good.
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From: Honah Lee
Try a new temperature sensor in the throttle body. My FI 04 starts at most a crank which is a second at most. Hot, Cold, and super cold lowest being around 30 F. Use to ride all year. Now one thing it did was if I came off starter too quick with out both cylinders running and it stalled, it would crank like that trying to get to to start. I always assumed it flooded a little on the second crank of the key.
What throws me is the starter fluid has no effect. Obviously, its spark and not fuel if you're actually getting spray in front of the intake. Just hitting on the outside of the filter is probably not getting it.
Make sure your throttle position sensor is not stuck and working. Check it with a simple OHM meter.
Does it help to open the throttle slightly when cranking? If so, IAC is sticking. Once sticking, and spraying carb cleaner or spray starter fluid will wash the black crud up into the step motor and kill it. No fix other than replace. Check it with the air filter off. Key on and you will see it pull back out of the air port for idle air to the last idle position. Key off and it jumps back in shutting off idle air to stop run-on.
Be sure and clean around the butterfly with a cotton cloth wet with fuel injector cleaner. That's part of your base idle air.
Spray also kills temperature sensor.
Welcome Chris for sure as a new member.
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What throws me is the starter fluid has no effect. Obviously, its spark and not fuel if you're actually getting spray in front of the intake. Just hitting on the outside of the filter is probably not getting it.
Make sure your throttle position sensor is not stuck and working. Check it with a simple OHM meter.
Does it help to open the throttle slightly when cranking? If so, IAC is sticking. Once sticking, and spraying carb cleaner or spray starter fluid will wash the black crud up into the step motor and kill it. No fix other than replace. Check it with the air filter off. Key on and you will see it pull back out of the air port for idle air to the last idle position. Key off and it jumps back in shutting off idle air to stop run-on.
Be sure and clean around the butterfly with a cotton cloth wet with fuel injector cleaner. That's part of your base idle air.
Spray also kills temperature sensor.
Welcome Chris for sure as a new member.
Hope you continue to enjoy your ride here with us on the HDFORUM.
Only as a suggestion, but very important, create a signature line similar to mine on your bike with the year, model, and all the letters Harley assigned to the bike. It will appear at the bottom of your post.
You can also add a favorite picture to the signature line.
Doing this will be helpful if you ask a question or to someone asking a question. All Harleys aren't the same with many changes and variations over the years.
You can also add a favorite picture for an Aviator postage stamp you see at the top left of your post.
Last edited by Jackie Paper; Mar 5, 2024 at 11:07 AM.
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Don't make that assumption. They are not expensive to replace, and HD has recommended replacement intervals. If they're more than a couple years old, give it a shot.
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Try a new temperature sensor in the throttle body. My FI 04 starts at most a crank which is a second at most. Hot, Cold, and super cold lowest being around 30 F. Use to ride all year.
What throws me is the starter fluid has no affect. Obiviously, its spark and not fuel if your acctually getting spray in front of intake. Just hitting on outside of filter is probably not getting it.
Make sure your throttle position sensor is not stuck and working.
Does it help to open throttle slightly when cranking? If so, IAC is sticking. Once sticking and spraying car cleaner or spray starter fluid will wash black crud up into step motor and kill it. No fix other then replace. .
Welcome Chris for sure as a new member.
Hope you continue to enjoy your ride here with us on the HDFORUM.
Only as a suggestion, but very important, create a signature line similar to mine on your bike with the year, model, and all the letters Harley assigned to the bike. It will appear at the bottom of your post.
You can also add a favorite picture to the signature line.
Doing this will be helpful if you ask a question or to someone asking a question. All Harleys aren't the same with many changes and variations over the years.
You can also add a favorite picture for an Aviator postage stamp you see at the top left of your post.
What throws me is the starter fluid has no affect. Obiviously, its spark and not fuel if your acctually getting spray in front of intake. Just hitting on outside of filter is probably not getting it.
Make sure your throttle position sensor is not stuck and working.
Does it help to open throttle slightly when cranking? If so, IAC is sticking. Once sticking and spraying car cleaner or spray starter fluid will wash black crud up into step motor and kill it. No fix other then replace. .
Welcome Chris for sure as a new member.
Hope you continue to enjoy your ride here with us on the HDFORUM.
Only as a suggestion, but very important, create a signature line similar to mine on your bike with the year, model, and all the letters Harley assigned to the bike. It will appear at the bottom of your post.
You can also add a favorite picture to the signature line.
Doing this will be helpful if you ask a question or to someone asking a question. All Harleys aren't the same with many changes and variations over the years.
You can also add a favorite picture for an Aviator postage stamp you see at the top left of your post.
I will add that the throttle on this bike was VERY stiff when I bought it. It had no spring back. I had to lube the cables very generously to get it back to normal. I mean it was sticking bad.
how do you add the signature?
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No change when adding throttle. Tried adding a little twist, tried it at WOT, no difference.
I will add that the throttle on this bike was VERY stiff when I bought it. It had no spring back. I had to lube the cables very generously to get it back to normal. I mean it was sticking bad.
how do you add the signature?
I will add that the throttle on this bike was VERY stiff when I bought it. It had no spring back. I had to lube the cables very generously to get it back to normal. I mean it was sticking bad.
how do you add the signature?
Hit your User name top right. You will see dropdown for signature
Last edited by Jackie Paper; Mar 5, 2024 at 11:09 AM.
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The very first thing I'd do is load test the battery, a weak battery will crank slower and could easily cause the problem you're having. Follow that up by checking the spark plugs, if it's been a while since they were replaced I'd just plan on replacing them.
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From: Louisiana
I have thought of ckp honestly. I just didnt know there were any tests I could do to determine proper operation.