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I understand your point, but DOD stickers is not the answer. Easily replicated, hardly ever checked. I've been working with the DOD for 20 something years and don't know one person who's DOD sticker was bounced against any database at a stop. Usually they just take the sticker number down and give you a ticket (for whatever).
CAC card and car registration beats "come get me" stickers anyday...
lp
ORIGINAL: skratch
ORIGINAL: hambone
Not requireing the DOD stickers on vehicles make as much sence to me as the opening of the bases to the public during the Clinton administration. With just small investment in equipment and card, couterfit CAC cards can be made which will easily pass the visual inspection of a gate guard. Unless they are taking each CAC card and scaning them for approved access, not requiring a DOD sticker is just asking for trouble on many bases in the future. [/align]
it is the person who requires access to the base/post, etc. not the vehicle. if i am going to work, it shouldn't matter what vehicle i take, be it mine or a buddies, or even a rental. and as has been said, the stickers are easier to fake than a cac card, plus here if you use a cac card, they will often ask for a dl also. i just use my id, sometimes they check 2 forms, most times not.
they do not have any plans to abandon use of the dod sticker here on ft polk in the near future. which makes no sense, as i said, if you check my id, why does my vehicle have to have a sticker on it?
I am not sure what all services you all work for or where you are located but I do know that if you don't have a sticker here at Bragg you are pulled to the side and all your info is taken then your command is notified that you need to have a sticker put on your car. now if you don't have a sticker on a bike you do not get on period. I have witnessed this first hand. No matter what no entry.
jnetmac, your base commander needs to retire and his boss too!
When they are doing 100% ID checks on every friggin' vehicle that comes through the gate, it kinda makes DOD stickers obsolete, wouldn't ya say? And, Iwouldn't think you'd have to show your MSF card every time through either...
BTW, what's so special about Ft. Bragg..?? It can't be any different than Holloman AFB...
Same here in Charleston. The sticker is just one level of security. The real deal is the CAC card.
lp
ORIGINAL: jnetmac
Here on Bragg they scan everybody's in the car. If you don't have a DOD card you are not let on. It has been that way for some time now. If you don't have a DOD card you wait at the welcome center to get a pass. That being said the bar code on the DOD card doesn't lie. It tells everything about you and ever one you bring on with you. If you were to get caught pulled over for one thing or another and it was found that you had a fake DOD ID or sticker I would think you would be the most screwed person on the base at that time and would spend some serious time inthe federal eyes.
ORIGINAL: jnetmac
I am not sure what all services you all work for or where you are located but I do know that if you don't have a sticker here at Bragg you are pulled to the side and all your info is taken then your command is notified that you need to have a sticker put on your car. now if you don't have a sticker on a bike you do not get on period. I have witnessed this first hand. No matter what no entry.
jnetmac, your base commander needs to retire and his boss too!
When they are doing 100% ID checks on every friggin' vehicle that comes through the gate, it kinda makes DOD stickers obsolete, wouldn't ya say? And, Iwouldn't think you'd have to show your MSF card every time through either...
BTW, what's so special about Ft. Bragg..?? It can't be any different than Holloman AFB...
I'm just telling the facts nothing more. No use getting all fired up bud. I know I can pull up at a Pope AFB entrance and show just ID card and they don't check it with anything electronic and you can pull right on. I'm just telling you it isn't the same here not at all. Breath man breathO' by the way Ft Bragg in the Heart of the Army the home of the 82nd Airborne, 18 Airborne Corp., most of the Special Forces, 1st Special Forces Operational DetachmentDeltaand around 50,000 other soldiers, sailors, marines,and airmen so yes I think it is pretty damn important to check every single person that comes on to it
jnetmac, your base commander needs to retire and his boss too!
When they are doing 100% ID checks on every friggin' vehicle that comes through the gate, it kinda makes DOD stickers obsolete, wouldn't ya say? And, Iwouldn't think you'd have to show your MSF card every time through either...
BTW, what's so special about Ft. Bragg..?? It can't be any different than Holloman AFB...
I'm sorry to have to tell you this but this is the funnest thing I've ever heard from a military person. Seriously man would you really want it any other way then having every one that comes in to a military post checked???? I mean there is some serious stuff of these bases that are a security risk to the country and ever man or woman that wears the uniform. I think that checking every one in every vehicle is a small price to pay for national security and possible attacks on sacred ground.
jnetmac, your base commander needs to retire and his boss too!
When they are doing 100% ID checks on every friggin' vehicle that comes through the gate, it kinda makes DOD stickers obsolete, wouldn't ya say? And, Iwouldn't think you'd have to show your MSF card every time through either...
BTW, what's so special about Ft. Bragg..?? It can't be any different than Holloman AFB...
I agree. One thing the decal is good for though - it sure does advertise which un-attended cars in a parking lot will be going aboard a military base (and which base too).
Not requireing the DOD stickers on vehicles make as much sence to me as the opening of the bases to the public during the Clinton administration. With just small investment in equipment and card, couterfit CAC cards can be made which will easily pass the visual inspection of a gate guard. Unless they are taking each CAC card and scaning them for approved access, not requiring a DOD sticker is just asking for trouble on many bases in the future. [/align]
it is the person who requires access to the base/post, etc. not the vehicle. if i am going to work, it shouldn't matter what vehicle i take, be it mine or a buddies, or even a rental. and as has been said, the stickers are easier to fake than a cac card, plus here if you use a cac card, they will often ask for a dl also. i just use my id, sometimes they check 2 forms, most times not.
they do not have any plans to abandon use of the dod sticker here on ft polk in the near future. which makes no sense, as i said, if you check my id, why does my vehicle have to have a sticker on it?
Requireing vehicle registration on a base is part of the security procedures as a whole. It is easy for an MP/SP on patrol to call in the vehicle tags to check it's regiestered owner on base than it is to search for the person who owns the vehicle. And no it's not just you who requires access to the base, it's the vehicle also.
I'll bet you all are some of the same ones who bitch about having to go through a security screening at the airports.
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you would lose that bet.......
but it sure does advertise to the whole world that you are a military person with access to any base. nothing like painting a target on your back, eh?
my point was that it shouldn't matter what vehicle i'm in, whether it be bicycle, motorcycle, car, or truck.... once i get on post, the vehicle gets parked. i, however, go into the building and (gasp) work...
jnetmac, your base commander needs to retire and his boss too!
When they are doing 100% ID checks on every friggin' vehicle that comes through the gate, it kinda makes DOD stickers obsolete, wouldn't ya say? And, Iwouldn't think you'd have to show your MSF card every time through either...
BTW, what's so special about Ft. Bragg..?? It can't be any different than Holloman AFB...
I'm sorry to have to tell you this but this is the funnest thing I've ever heard from a military person. Seriously man would you really want it any other way then having every one that comes in to a military post checked???? I mean there is some serious stuff of these bases that are a security risk to the country and ever man or woman that wears the uniform. I think that checking every one in every vehicle is a small price to pay for national security and possible attacks on sacred ground.
i didn't get that vibe from his post. i think he was saying that it was kind of redundant to have a decal on the vehicle when they check everyones id..... i didn't catch any 'checking ids is stupid' feeling from it..
The decal is required at McChord AFB in Washington state. We also show our cac cards and have them scanned to get on base. The decal helps security determine if a particular vehicle belongs on base. Alsoall base personnel must show proof of insurance in order to get a decal. This last detail is reason enough to keep the decals around.
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