What is a Isolated Drive System and What does it do?
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RE: What is a Isolated Drive System and What does it do?
Get real. Not only am I not affiliated with HD, I'm not even currently employed.
Maybe you need to sit down and think about this whole situation from a different perspective. Say you had an idea to build a product and market it. Later it comes to you you could do an aspect of it better or cheaper. You improve the product and start getting it out the pipeline. You've still got stuff you shipped before that which has not yet been sold. Would you call it all back and retrofit the improvement on it? Would you call back any that had ended up in consumers' hands and retrofit it? Not talking about anything that represents any safety or longevity of your past product. Merely an improvement upon it. Consider it carefully, now. Where do you draw the line?
Maybe you need to sit down and think about this whole situation from a different perspective. Say you had an idea to build a product and market it. Later it comes to you you could do an aspect of it better or cheaper. You improve the product and start getting it out the pipeline. You've still got stuff you shipped before that which has not yet been sold. Would you call it all back and retrofit the improvement on it? Would you call back any that had ended up in consumers' hands and retrofit it? Not talking about anything that represents any safety or longevity of your past product. Merely an improvement upon it. Consider it carefully, now. Where do you draw the line?
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RE: What is a Isolated Drive System and What does it do?
ORIGINAL: ndotken
The IDS is a $300 part that masks the fact that your bike is a poorly engineered POS.
The IDS is a $300 part that masks the fact that your bike is a poorly engineered POS.
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RE: What is a Isolated Drive System and What does it do?
You act like HD has never done that before???
They did what your describing for the 05 oil consumption problem andthe 8 -25 degree injector problem.
The difference was they didn't try to make the people having those problems think they were riding the bikes wrong or it was "normal".
AND they didn't go out and recall anything...they just addressed the problems when people brought the bikes in....
I think at the very least, the 07 riders who have real clatter problems (1 in 10000 right?) should be offered the same treatment. It's not like they haven't done this for their paying public before...
lp
They did what your describing for the 05 oil consumption problem andthe 8 -25 degree injector problem.
The difference was they didn't try to make the people having those problems think they were riding the bikes wrong or it was "normal".
AND they didn't go out and recall anything...they just addressed the problems when people brought the bikes in....
I think at the very least, the 07 riders who have real clatter problems (1 in 10000 right?) should be offered the same treatment. It's not like they haven't done this for their paying public before...
lp
ORIGINAL: glens
Get real. Not only am I not affiliated with HD, I'm not even currently employed.
Maybe you need to sit down and think about this whole situation from a different perspective. Say you had an idea to build a product and market it. Later it comes to you you could do an aspect of it better or cheaper. You improve the product and start getting it out the pipeline. You've still got stuff you shipped before that which has not yet been sold. Would you call it all back and retrofit the improvement on it? Would you call back any that had ended up in consumers' hands and retrofit it? Not talking about anything that represents any safety or longevity of your past product. Merely an improvement upon it. Consider it carefully, now. Where do you draw the line?
Get real. Not only am I not affiliated with HD, I'm not even currently employed.
Maybe you need to sit down and think about this whole situation from a different perspective. Say you had an idea to build a product and market it. Later it comes to you you could do an aspect of it better or cheaper. You improve the product and start getting it out the pipeline. You've still got stuff you shipped before that which has not yet been sold. Would you call it all back and retrofit the improvement on it? Would you call back any that had ended up in consumers' hands and retrofit it? Not talking about anything that represents any safety or longevity of your past product. Merely an improvement upon it. Consider it carefully, now. Where do you draw the line?
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RE: What is a Isolated Drive System and What does it do?
ORIGINAL: glens
Get real. Not only am I not affiliated with HD, I'm not even currently employed.
Maybe you need to sit down and think about this whole situation from a different perspective. Say you had an idea to build a product and market it. Later it comes to you you could do an aspect of it better or cheaper. You improve the product and start getting it out the pipeline. You've still got stuff you shipped before that which has not yet been sold. Would you call it all back and retrofit the improvement on it? Would you call back any that had ended up in consumers' hands and retrofit it? Not talking about anything that represents any safety or longevity of your past product. Merely an improvement upon it. Consider it carefully, now. Where do you draw the line?
Get real. Not only am I not affiliated with HD, I'm not even currently employed.
Maybe you need to sit down and think about this whole situation from a different perspective. Say you had an idea to build a product and market it. Later it comes to you you could do an aspect of it better or cheaper. You improve the product and start getting it out the pipeline. You've still got stuff you shipped before that which has not yet been sold. Would you call it all back and retrofit the improvement on it? Would you call back any that had ended up in consumers' hands and retrofit it? Not talking about anything that represents any safety or longevity of your past product. Merely an improvement upon it. Consider it carefully, now. Where do you draw the line?
And to answer your response, the IDS didn't come as a "thought" that HD had to make it "cheaper or better" it comes at the heals of numerous complaints on this
and many other forums.
And no I wouldn't call it back if it was a situation as you described, a design improvement, but when that "Improvement" eliminated a public complaint it's no
longer just an improvement, it's a fix... and if you do a search, you will find several people saying it fixed the "rocks in the can" noise...
And how can you speak of it not being a longevity problem? it's only been around since the 07's came out... and if the bike doesn't crater before the warranty
expires it's OK? what if it craters say, 1 year out of warranty, and you had a two year warranty, three years and now an $5000.00 engine is toast.
And HD says "should have done the IDS thing" I know that would never have been said... but in all this my point is this, We can make up scenarios about "but what if" and all that, but nothing changes what has already been done, and speculating on the what ifs, doesn't pacify it..
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From: Ashby, Ma
RE: What is a Isolated Drive System and What does it do?
Too funny.
I like my IDS.. I didn't know I had a problem, prolly due to my loud pipes, my loud Hogtunes speakers and my fried ears from too many rcok concerts, ...but still I like my IDS!
...I'm just sayin..
I like my IDS.. I didn't know I had a problem, prolly due to my loud pipes, my loud Hogtunes speakers and my fried ears from too many rcok concerts, ...but still I like my IDS!
...I'm just sayin..
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RE: What is a Isolated Drive System and What does it do?
I am all for what Ndotken said it is the absolute truth. I couldnt stand the the ping and the canof bolts noise when the bike got hot. I put a SERT, Big sucker. V&H true duals and ovals and the bike runs great just whines in 5th. I dont even go to 5th till around 50 then 6th at 70 plus.Still have some clatter from somewhere maybe a rocker. Bike shifts fine but I think it will be my last.
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RE: What is a Isolated Drive System and What does it do?
lp: I don't remember any of those situations. I'd quit riding 20 years ago after moving to near Indy from the barren wastes of the Continental Divide, where it'd take all day on the road to see as many cages as it takes a half hour to do here. Plus, for some reason, it seemed as if they all thought they were Mario Andretti or something. I just picked up my first bike since then and my first ever Harley this past spring. But I have heard of those scenarios and each and every one of them actually were functionality problems. The "I don't like the noise" isn't, like it or not.
Richard: I'm stuck behind a dialup connection and even with the barest presentation offered by this not-so-great forum software it's almost painful to interact here. I was wondering if "[sm=joke.gif] [
]" was significant at all. I apologize for being seriouser than necessary.
Are you sure about that? What is your foundation for that notion? I don't have any foundation for my assertion that it equally as well could have been part of the original design package and its removal before going to production was an expediency which was never tested, thus the noise had never been encountered pre-production. It's just a thought (and actually the direct inverse of your proposal) but it would sure, if nothing else, help explain the clearly wrong shift-point instructions in the owner's manual (which strangely-enough are reported as being correct with the IDS installed).
I have some mechanical design and industrial maintenance in my background and I've been around some. I hope nothing grenades 25 months after purchase but it's more than just hope. I'm rather confident it won't, at least as a matter of course. There are always corner cases and I'd think in such that HD would stand behind them.
Richard: I'm stuck behind a dialup connection and even with the barest presentation offered by this not-so-great forum software it's almost painful to interact here. I was wondering if "[sm=joke.gif] [
]" was significant at all. I apologize for being seriouser than necessary.
the IDS didn't come as a "thought" that HD had to make it "cheaper or better" it comes at the heals of numerous complaints on this and many other forums.
I have some mechanical design and industrial maintenance in my background and I've been around some. I hope nothing grenades 25 months after purchase but it's more than just hope. I'm rather confident it won't, at least as a matter of course. There are always corner cases and I'd think in such that HD would stand behind them.
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RE: What is a Isolated Drive System and What does it do?
Well it's just logic, for how many years has Harley Davidson had a rigid mounted sprocket? and now all the sudden IDS, too coincidental..
And maybe it was a scrapped 07 design, but it's just not important enough to fess up...
As far as standing behind them, "I hope nothing grenades 25 months after purchase but it's more than just hope. I'm rather confident it won't, at least as a matter of course. There are always corner cases and I'd think in such that HD would stand behind them." I would hope so... And I share in your confidence, But that's not for us to decide, our decisions only rest on our purchase.
You wouldhope Harleytreasure's those decisions...
And maybe it was a scrapped 07 design, but it's just not important enough to fess up...
As far as standing behind them, "I hope nothing grenades 25 months after purchase but it's more than just hope. I'm rather confident it won't, at least as a matter of course. There are always corner cases and I'd think in such that HD would stand behind them." I would hope so... And I share in your confidence, But that's not for us to decide, our decisions only rest on our purchase.
You wouldhope Harleytreasure's those decisions...
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RE: What is a Isolated Drive System and What does it do?
How many years has HD had a 96" engine with a rigid-mount sprocket?
How many years has Vrod had cush drive?
I agree. I guess I'm just putting my faith in the MoCo treasuring my decision early last June.
How many years has Vrod had cush drive?
I agree. I guess I'm just putting my faith in the MoCo treasuring my decision early last June.
