What is a Isolated Drive System and What does it do?
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RE: What is a Isolated Drive System and What does it do?
ORIGINAL: Bleuknight
The IDS saved my dad from riding his scoot thru the dealers front window
The IDS saved my dad from riding his scoot thru the dealers front window
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RE: What is a Isolated Drive System and What does it do?
I have an 07 and I guess I'm quite fortunate it doesn't sound like some of the descriptions I've seen on the HDF. I don't have the IDS. I might say I don't have the IDS yet, its interesting that "Alexcue" is not spending as much time in 5th gear, thats theonly otherthing I've heard besides getting rid of the noise issues unless I missed something.The reason I don't have one is I have not seen on any posts that riders are doing anything to the tranny. People are adding the IDS and the tranny is still what it is. To me its like adding the mid frame heat deflectors instead of doing something about the heat. For those that the IDS has helped with unwanted noise I'm sure they are are relieved and would be willing to spend the money again if they had to. I'm hoping my post isn't p!$$!ng people off thats not my intent. I guess I just need to be convinced it solves world hunger, cures cancer and creates world peace.
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RE: What is a Isolated Drive System and What does it do?
ORIGINAL: rabidd
Does the IDSstop the 5th gear wine? Mine is getting louder each day. Back in 1966 my yamaha dirt bike had rubber blocks in the drive side of the sprocket and hub,took up the shock loads. The IDS sounds like the same type of system. I think that the **** should retro fit all 07's withtheirmoney not mine. I wonder ifMike Keefe VP of HD or Jim McCaslin President and Cheif Operating Officer ever read the forums?This is my 3rd new Harley and from day one I wanted to give this one back. It will be very hard to give up my hard earned dollar for a new one next time. Heck I might even be willing to pay the labor if they paid the cost of parts.
Does the IDSstop the 5th gear wine? Mine is getting louder each day. Back in 1966 my yamaha dirt bike had rubber blocks in the drive side of the sprocket and hub,took up the shock loads. The IDS sounds like the same type of system. I think that the **** should retro fit all 07's withtheirmoney not mine. I wonder ifMike Keefe VP of HD or Jim McCaslin President and Cheif Operating Officer ever read the forums?This is my 3rd new Harley and from day one I wanted to give this one back. It will be very hard to give up my hard earned dollar for a new one next time. Heck I might even be willing to pay the labor if they paid the cost of parts.
I was told that Harley owners have a "love/hate" relationship with their bikes and I now know this to be true. After riding metrics for years, this is my third Harley and it is the best looking bike I've ever owned by far. I definitely "love" the look, fit and finish of the bike. However, I hate the crappy customer service of the Harley Davidson Motor Company, the salespeople that don't know their *** from a hole in the ground, the parts counter guy that says "uh ... what's an Isolated Drive System?", the service techs that know less about the bikes than I do, the sh_t engineering that goes into the bike, the pathetic performance that it has when it comes of the assembly line, and finally the service department guy that comes out after my bike's been in the back for an hour and says sorry we can't install your IDS today because we have to order a special tool.
But I'm like alot of Harley riders in that there's no other bike I want to be seen riding so I put up with all the crap that I hate in order to love the look of the bike. Like the commercial says ... "Image is Everything"
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RE: What is a Isolated Drive System and What does it do?
[this is a reply to my pal lp]
Think you could program this forum software so it doesn't suck quite so badly? The "it's an optional thing whether to scroll down to the quote" bit would only hold water whenever it's the last post on the last page of a thread
Maybe all the non-previously-clattering folks like the IDS because they see the logic it represents and feel it's a good idea. It refines and enhances the operational experience.
I still feel that it was ever a part of the design and that its exclusion from the released-to-market version brought possible noise problems (variably) closer to the surface than could have possibly been noted during development if were in service then. I'm not declaring that to be the case; just speculating.
Think you could program this forum software so it doesn't suck quite so badly? The "it's an optional thing whether to scroll down to the quote" bit would only hold water whenever it's the last post on the last page of a thread
Maybe all the non-previously-clattering folks like the IDS because they see the logic it represents and feel it's a good idea. It refines and enhances the operational experience.
I still feel that it was ever a part of the design and that its exclusion from the released-to-market version brought possible noise problems (variably) closer to the surface than could have possibly been noted during development if were in service then. I'm not declaring that to be the case; just speculating.
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RE: What is a Isolated Drive System and What does it do?
Glens,
Welcome to the forum!
lp
Welcome to the forum!
lp
ORIGINAL: glens
[this is a reply to my pal lp]
Think you could program this forum software so it doesn't suck quite so badly? The "it's an optional thing whether to scroll down to the quote" bit would only hold water whenever it's the last post on the last page of a thread
Maybe all the non-previously-clattering folks like the IDS because they see the logic it represents and feel it's a good idea. It refines and enhances the operational experience.
I still feel that it was ever a part of the design and that its exclusion from the released-to-market version brought possible noise problems (variably) closer to the surface than could have possibly been noted during development if were in service then. I'm not declaring that to be the case; just speculating.
[this is a reply to my pal lp]
Think you could program this forum software so it doesn't suck quite so badly? The "it's an optional thing whether to scroll down to the quote" bit would only hold water whenever it's the last post on the last page of a thread
Maybe all the non-previously-clattering folks like the IDS because they see the logic it represents and feel it's a good idea. It refines and enhances the operational experience.
I still feel that it was ever a part of the design and that its exclusion from the released-to-market version brought possible noise problems (variably) closer to the surface than could have possibly been noted during development if were in service then. I'm not declaring that to be the case; just speculating.
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RE: What is a Isolated Drive System and What does it do?
The touring bikes evidently have, with the shorter primary setup, a bit of excess lash or something between the crankshaft and the transmission output that can get to "bouncing around" at lower engine speeds under light load. As this occurs, a "clattering" sound which is objectionable to some riders/owners is emitted, to varying degrees, between different samples of the various models.
The IDS enhancement retrofitted to the '07s from the '08s dampens this action to the great delight and satisfaction of most all who've opted for it. Many are adamant that the extra cost of this enhancement should be borne by the Motor Company.
It's been a wild ride. Some folks were known to proclaim fear of riding, thinking perhaps the equipment would grenade underneath them. To my knowledge there have been no reports of failure associated with the phenomenon.
The IDS enhancement retrofitted to the '07s from the '08s dampens this action to the great delight and satisfaction of most all who've opted for it. Many are adamant that the extra cost of this enhancement should be borne by the Motor Company.
It's been a wild ride. Some folks were known to proclaim fear of riding, thinking perhaps the equipment would grenade underneath them. To my knowledge there have been no reports of failure associated with the phenomenon.
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RE: What is a Isolated Drive System and What does it do?
I'll just add this, copied right off the HD Site...
Introduced on the '08 Touring models, the Isolated Drive System improves rider comfort and ride quality by dampening the mechanical noise and vibration caused by the engine's torque pulses. The rubber compensation elements in the sprocket act like a cushion, absorbing the power pulses from the engine. With the IDS installed, the motorcycle feels more refined, and is quieter while accelerating, shifting and cruising. Kit includes sprocket, compensator bowl, and installation hardware.
I'm still pizzed... The owners of 2007 Harley-Davidson Motorcycle's should have been sent this kit or sent a recall form to have it installed .
Introduced on the '08 Touring models, the Isolated Drive System improves rider comfort and ride quality by dampening the mechanical noise and vibration caused by the engine's torque pulses. The rubber compensation elements in the sprocket act like a cushion, absorbing the power pulses from the engine. With the IDS installed, the motorcycle feels more refined, and is quieter while accelerating, shifting and cruising. Kit includes sprocket, compensator bowl, and installation hardware.
I'm still pizzed... The owners of 2007 Harley-Davidson Motorcycle's should have been sent this kit or sent a recall form to have it installed .
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RE: What is a Isolated Drive System and What does it do?
Why be upset? Do you think the '08 buyers are getting it free? Why should you/we? The '08 owners are merely purchasing it pre-installed. Would you have been upset if the cost of the bike were an extra $150 at the time you bought it? I wonder how many people would have opted out of a $150 "cush drive" option were it available on the '07s.