IDS Pics
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RE: IDS Pics
ORIGINAL: choochoo
Well I was waiting for picts of this. But based on the descriptions though I had a general idea of it.
This IDS is NOTHING NEW. It has been used on equipment and machinery for power transfer for a about hundred years in various forms.
HD just did a cinfiguration modification to fit the bike.
And since HD "developed" this to smooth out the ride and made it standard on 08 and so if would fit the 07 bikes, they suckered you all out of your money once again. They have in fact admitted there is or was a problem and this was "a fix". Cheaper than recalling your bikes under warranty and fixing them right.
Bet ya the engineer that designed the crappy tranny designed this too. Maybe it was a "plan". Make a crappy tranny then make a fix and charge for it??
BTW in the field mechanic and machinery trades this is commonly called a LOVEJOY connector.
Also yes you will need to check the rubber every couple years depending on how you ride. But will HD offer the rubber separately?
Well I was waiting for picts of this. But based on the descriptions though I had a general idea of it.
This IDS is NOTHING NEW. It has been used on equipment and machinery for power transfer for a about hundred years in various forms.
HD just did a cinfiguration modification to fit the bike.
And since HD "developed" this to smooth out the ride and made it standard on 08 and so if would fit the 07 bikes, they suckered you all out of your money once again. They have in fact admitted there is or was a problem and this was "a fix". Cheaper than recalling your bikes under warranty and fixing them right.
Bet ya the engineer that designed the crappy tranny designed this too. Maybe it was a "plan". Make a crappy tranny then make a fix and charge for it??
BTW in the field mechanic and machinery trades this is commonly called a LOVEJOY connector.
Also yes you will need to check the rubber every couple years depending on how you ride. But will HD offer the rubber separately?
I am glad you posted this again. I missed it the first thousand times you posted the same response. What problem did it fix? What recall should they have had? Haven't we all heard this before? It was an upgrade. Like you stated, it has been around for a hundred years, so how did they develop it to do something different? MOCO never claimed they set the world on fire with this. Would you rather they didn't make it to fit 07's, so only new bike owners can have it. It would cost more to trade your 07 for an 08 for it. You don't even have a 07 or an 08to give a first hand resonse to anyway.
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RE: IDS Pics
I have never had the clatter issue riding one or two up. I keep the engine rpm about 2500 during cruzing in higher gears. No problem if I roll on the throttle from there. I have had it clatter when on occasion I roll on the throttle in higher gears with the rpm below 2000. So I just down shift and any clatter goes away. However, I will probably buy the IDS when I get my next set of tires.
I have more important things to spend my money on now - chrome front end and J&M speakers.
I have more important things to spend my money on now - chrome front end and J&M speakers.
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The dealers probably have buckets full of spare elastomer bushings since they're always failing under the high-power demands of the Vrods, which have also used this system since introduction, right? Oh, wait. They're not?
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My buddy David put 54,000 on his V-Rod w/o having any issues with the bushings.
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Not to get in this "p***ing match, but if it isa tranny "problem" as suggested, does it effect the 06 Dynas the same way? The also have the 6-speed tranny.
Personally I believe the pulsating, or whatever,is the result of the 96" engine and new compensator combination. The tranny ratios (esp. 5th and 6th gears) are just taxing this marriage. Therfore the IDS simply takes up the slack (so to speak) of the overloaded compenstator. The transmission, IMO,is fine.
Just my.02 cents.
Bob
ORIGINAL: choochoo
I understand there are many manufacturers, I said we commonly call them Lovejoy.
Lovejoy is just one of many brands, but in our area is the most common one.
Some people never cease to amaze me about nitpicking little things.
But your first sentence is the most accurate!
well I don't have a BMW or a metric and I don't visit their sites, so would be pointless to do so.
I'm not really bashing the engineers, but ratherHD itself.
The top where pass the buck stops. They are so intently worried about their own paycheck they don't care if they screw you over, by making a shoddy model (07 touring), then quietly do a running upgrade to fix their screwup, and then expect you to pay for the parts to fix yours.
Hey HD is not the only one that does this. In way or another entire corporate America does it.
But you folks that just roll over and willingly take it in the *** from them, just encourage them to keep doing it.
HD claims it's the "power pulses from the engine" causing the problem. Well if that is true how come it isn't apparent in other models and how come 01-06 people that upgraded to 95+ engine sizes don't have the problem too.
Why is it prevalent in only in the 07's with the "new" 6 speed and now apparently in the 08's so they installed the "fix" at the factory to prevent the complaints?
You all got a problem with your scoot from factory, you think should be fixed, stop rolling over and playing dead! And spending more money at the moco for the fix. The FTC and Congress GAVE you a means to fight back.
USE IT!!! You just might get the fix completely free. But you got to be willing to fight for your rights and satisfaction.
Stop being such pacifists!!
"wear ... Deteriorate" just semantics. Same meaning in this case.
In the field the "lovejoys" I work with are inspected and replaced on a regular basis. some last a month in their environment other a couple years.
I understand there are many manufacturers, I said we commonly call them Lovejoy.
Lovejoy is just one of many brands, but in our area is the most common one.
Some people never cease to amaze me about nitpicking little things.
But your first sentence is the most accurate!
well I don't have a BMW or a metric and I don't visit their sites, so would be pointless to do so.
I'm not really bashing the engineers, but ratherHD itself.
The top where pass the buck stops. They are so intently worried about their own paycheck they don't care if they screw you over, by making a shoddy model (07 touring), then quietly do a running upgrade to fix their screwup, and then expect you to pay for the parts to fix yours.
Hey HD is not the only one that does this. In way or another entire corporate America does it.
But you folks that just roll over and willingly take it in the *** from them, just encourage them to keep doing it.
HD claims it's the "power pulses from the engine" causing the problem. Well if that is true how come it isn't apparent in other models and how come 01-06 people that upgraded to 95+ engine sizes don't have the problem too.
Why is it prevalent in only in the 07's with the "new" 6 speed and now apparently in the 08's so they installed the "fix" at the factory to prevent the complaints?
You all got a problem with your scoot from factory, you think should be fixed, stop rolling over and playing dead! And spending more money at the moco for the fix. The FTC and Congress GAVE you a means to fight back.
USE IT!!! You just might get the fix completely free. But you got to be willing to fight for your rights and satisfaction.
Stop being such pacifists!!
"wear ... Deteriorate" just semantics. Same meaning in this case.
In the field the "lovejoys" I work with are inspected and replaced on a regular basis. some last a month in their environment other a couple years.
ORIGINAL: peddler
Choochoo: You never fail to dissappoint.
1. In the interest of accuracy (what a concept). In the industrial world they are referred to as power transmission couplings. There are may manufactures, Lovejoy just happens to be one of them.
2. If you are going tocontinue your BASH HARLEY campaignby trashing the HD engineers for designing this tranny and compensator you better throw theBMW engineeres that also designed a tranny that required the same type of rubbermounted compensator sprocket. I would aslo suggest you include all of the metric engineers that did the same.
3. Harley recommends you check the rubber components of the I.D.S. at every rear wheel tire replacement. The rubber components do not "wear" they deteriorate over time due to the heat generated by compressing and relaxing. I've heard from guys that had metric bikes with this tpe of sprocket indicate they didn't require replacement up to 100,000 miles. Of course your individual riding style will affect the life of this component.
These are of course facts... not opinion.
Choochoo: You never fail to dissappoint.
1. In the interest of accuracy (what a concept). In the industrial world they are referred to as power transmission couplings. There are may manufactures, Lovejoy just happens to be one of them.
2. If you are going tocontinue your BASH HARLEY campaignby trashing the HD engineers for designing this tranny and compensator you better throw theBMW engineeres that also designed a tranny that required the same type of rubbermounted compensator sprocket. I would aslo suggest you include all of the metric engineers that did the same.
3. Harley recommends you check the rubber components of the I.D.S. at every rear wheel tire replacement. The rubber components do not "wear" they deteriorate over time due to the heat generated by compressing and relaxing. I've heard from guys that had metric bikes with this tpe of sprocket indicate they didn't require replacement up to 100,000 miles. Of course your individual riding style will affect the life of this component.
These are of course facts... not opinion.
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