Whats up with STROKER BUILDS?
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Whats up with STROKER BUILDS?
Seems like a few members with TC big bores are upgrading to strokers. Why are complete motor swaps not common (Jims or S&S)?? Pull a big bore motor intact, sell it & drop in a warranteed pro-built matched component stroker ? Damn, the dual induction intake on the S&S 124 sure is a sweet work of art. Something for power freaks to ponder!
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RE: STROKER BUILDS...JUST WONDERING WHY?
Some will say that replacing the motor with a complete 3rd party unit make the bike no longer a Harley... some may or may not care.
Personally, I like working on stuff & just how good do you think the warranty on a "performance" motor is really gonna be?
Personally, I like working on stuff & just how good do you think the warranty on a "performance" motor is really gonna be?
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From: Sauble Beach
RE: STROKER BUILDS...JUST WONDERING WHY?
Ya Phil, just sayin' I like working on stuff as well but like most I wouldn't be comfortable with a total motor rebuild. Whatever the motor its still a Harley with a TC in my book.
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RE: STROKER BUILDS...JUST WONDERING WHY?
That S&S 124" is no slouch, but I bet all of these 120" HQ builds will beat it's A$$, and these guys will have spent less money doing it. In fact, I bet the 113" builds would surprise an out of the box S&S 124" also.
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RE: Whats up with STROKER BUILDS?
ORIGINAL: DonnyI
Seems like a few members with TC big bores are upgrading to strokers. Why are complete motor swaps not common (Jims or S&S)?? Pull a big bore motor intact, sell it & drop in a warranteed pro-built matched component stroker ? Damn, the dual induction intake on the S&S 124 sure is a sweet work of art. Something for power freaks to ponder!
Seems like a few members with TC big bores are upgrading to strokers. Why are complete motor swaps not common (Jims or S&S)?? Pull a big bore motor intact, sell it & drop in a warranteed pro-built matched component stroker ? Damn, the dual induction intake on the S&S 124 sure is a sweet work of art. Something for power freaks to ponder!
Biggest reason I can see for not swapping out is you lose correct serial number on original motor. Might have impact on resale and insuring.
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RE: Whats up with STROKER BUILDS?
Matching #'s for me also like to do my own work, my way, parts I choose, for me it's as much about turning the wrenches as the funof the power, also think that a H.Q. 113" on the street will hold its own against a larger replacement motor I went with H.Q. because I beleve in tq. and good lines not so much as peak #'s the H.Q. 113 should make around 130 ft lbs with good lines and damn how do you pass that up for less than 4,000 ? These are things that make my decisions for me.
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RE: Whats up with STROKER BUILDS?
Last I heard HQ has done up to 113" motor, not larger. I don't think serial numbers or anything else like that has anything to do with why you don't see more strokers. I "believe" it's more attributed to 1. Most don't know enough about motors to make the jump, 2. COST! It's hard enough to justify laying out $20 grand for a bike much less another 7-8K up front.
Yea, I've read all about...."buy a 124" motor, swap it in, sell your old motor, yadyadayada". But, in reality you can't just change out a motor. What about the exhaust system? A good exhaust on a 95" will probably be lacking on a 124". What about the clutch? What about tuning?What about all the othernew partsyoujust have to havefor a newHarley?
Don't get me wrong, I agree, the best option for performance is a motor swap when the bike is new. It's a shame you can't get the options you want on a new Harley without ending up with a pickup load of spare parts.... Harley's marketing strategy is to sell blah bikes and make a bundle off of the parts bought AFTER the bike is taken home. This strategy has been working for years, but I have a feeling the "train is running out of steam".
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Yea, I've read all about...."buy a 124" motor, swap it in, sell your old motor, yadyadayada". But, in reality you can't just change out a motor. What about the exhaust system? A good exhaust on a 95" will probably be lacking on a 124". What about the clutch? What about tuning?What about all the othernew partsyoujust have to havefor a newHarley?
Don't get me wrong, I agree, the best option for performance is a motor swap when the bike is new. It's a shame you can't get the options you want on a new Harley without ending up with a pickup load of spare parts.... Harley's marketing strategy is to sell blah bikes and make a bundle off of the parts bought AFTER the bike is taken home. This strategy has been working for years, but I have a feeling the "train is running out of steam".
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RE: Whats up with STROKER BUILDS?
H.Q is doing 120" now it is basicaly the 113" with a 4-5/8 stroke and set up to the compresion you desire a few on here are in the process of building these now probably gona have to buy a few extra tires just dont know how the rear tires are gona hold up
ORIGINAL: gunnert
Last I heard HQ has done up to 113" motor, not larger. I don't think serial numbers or anything else like that has anything to do with why you don't see more strokers. I "believe" it's more attributed to 1. Most don't know enough about motors to make the jump, 2. COST! It's hard enough to justify laying out $20 grand for a bike much less another 7-8K up front.
Yea, I've read all about...."buy a 124" motor, swap it in, sell your old motor, yadyadayada". But, in reality you can't just change out a motor. What about the exhaust system? A good exhaust on a 95" will probably be lacking on a 124". What about the clutch? What about tuning?What about all the othernew partsyoujust have to havefor a newHarley?
Don't get me wrong, I agree, the best option for performance is a motor swap when the bike is new. It's a shame you can't get the options you want on a new Harley without ending up with a pickup load of spare parts.... Harley's marketing strategy is to sell blah bikes and make a bundle off of the parts bought AFTER the bike is taken home. This strategy has been working for years, but I have a feeling the "train is running out of steam".
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Last I heard HQ has done up to 113" motor, not larger. I don't think serial numbers or anything else like that has anything to do with why you don't see more strokers. I "believe" it's more attributed to 1. Most don't know enough about motors to make the jump, 2. COST! It's hard enough to justify laying out $20 grand for a bike much less another 7-8K up front.
Yea, I've read all about...."buy a 124" motor, swap it in, sell your old motor, yadyadayada". But, in reality you can't just change out a motor. What about the exhaust system? A good exhaust on a 95" will probably be lacking on a 124". What about the clutch? What about tuning?What about all the othernew partsyoujust have to havefor a newHarley?
Don't get me wrong, I agree, the best option for performance is a motor swap when the bike is new. It's a shame you can't get the options you want on a new Harley without ending up with a pickup load of spare parts.... Harley's marketing strategy is to sell blah bikes and make a bundle off of the parts bought AFTER the bike is taken home. This strategy has been working for years, but I have a feeling the "train is running out of steam".
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