Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death
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Roadking, it is refreshing to see you step up and say it was your error and not the TBW. you could have said that it was a problem with the throttle. What would that have accomplished, nothing except more fears from all of us guys makiing a purchase of a 2008 road king. I for one would be the first to step up and say it was my fault or lack of knowledge if something was to go wrong. how else are we going to get to the bottom of a problem if we dont know the whole story. I am sorry for the guys family and him loosing his life, also It would be nice for us all to step up and say, HEY man it was my fault that this or that happened, and not make quick judgements. There is a backgound to everything that results in an unfortunate incident and yes we all should be aware of it. BUT we need guys to be able and willing to say it was their fault if in fact it was. How many 08 touring bikes are out on the road and compare to how many people are registered on here? It is realy hard to make a judgement of something unless we have some concrete data. such as the service bulliten (M-1213A) Engine Idle Temperature Management System. which I would have never been aware of if I hadn't been on hdforums. We need these forums and we are not here to put anybody down as we are all on here for the same thing, (Information). We all need to take all this with an open mind and all learn something. I want to thank everybody for their help in me making my decision to purchase a 2008 Road King. I hope I have offended no one.
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RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death
ORIGINAL: malmax
Yes, I have heard of this problem.
Yes, I have heard of this problem.
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RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death
ORIGINAL: Jsans
The question that needs to be asked is... were they using an after-market race tuner on this bike?
The question that needs to be asked is... were they using an after-market race tuner on this bike?
Resto
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RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death
sorry to hear a fellow enthusiast passing away and all the best to his wife.....
TBW....is getting pelted here and there is alot of arm chair quarterbacking.....
so while you are at it..consider this.......
Cruise Control preset at some time prior back down the freeway @ 70 mph.......cruise kicked off sometime prior to the curve in the road and negotiating the curve @ 40 mph.....inadvertantly hitting the 'resume' switch....and away we go......
Point is...will we ever know exactly what happened?
TBW....is getting pelted here and there is alot of arm chair quarterbacking.....
so while you are at it..consider this.......
Cruise Control preset at some time prior back down the freeway @ 70 mph.......cruise kicked off sometime prior to the curve in the road and negotiating the curve @ 40 mph.....inadvertantly hitting the 'resume' switch....and away we go......
Point is...will we ever know exactly what happened?
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Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
We will pray for her full recovery, may he RIP
I think we all have gotten way of topic, start another thread to discuss the TBW.
We will pray for her full recovery, may he RIP
I think we all have gotten way of topic, start another thread to discuss the TBW.
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I guess you must be in love with meyou only read my posts and nobody elses,
I did not start the subject of a posssible HD at fault claim here.
I did NOT rant about the sporty.
It was an informative statement about the kill switch and hitting it
instinctively. I believe few if any here would do it, when an event like this
is happening to them.
You just turned it around in that birdsized brain of yours.
But please , find somebody else to adore and worship and pant after.
I already have a g/F and she treats me well.
I hate to bust your bubble so, but I'm sure you will get over it.
It was just puppy love on yur part anyway.
I did not start the subject of a posssible HD at fault claim here.
I did NOT rant about the sporty.
It was an informative statement about the kill switch and hitting it
instinctively. I believe few if any here would do it, when an event like this
is happening to them.
You just turned it around in that birdsized brain of yours.
But please , find somebody else to adore and worship and pant after.
I already have a g/F and she treats me well.
I hate to bust your bubble so, but I'm sure you will get over it.
It was just puppy love on yur part anyway.
ORIGINAL: russl179
My mamma told me not to argue with a fool, I should have listened closer.
It is a shame that you made it an effort to make this thread, like several others, all about you.
My mamma told me not to argue with a fool, I should have listened closer.
ORIGINAL: choochoo
Again I say BITE me.
I have to guess you are too damn ignorant to understsand me
wjen I say, just don't bother resding my posts if they upset you so much.
Besides in the above example of a sporty going don, was in response to
anothers statement of pull in clutch and hit kill switch.
Was just trying to show that when it is happening to you and everything
is happening in real time and FAST, you most likely will not instinctively
pull the clutch and hit the kill switch. it takes time for the brain to process
all the incoming information make a decision and react. Normally 3/4 to 1 sec
and buy then in many cases kill switch or not may be too late.
so again BITe me you wise azz dumb azz
As Mr T was fond ofsaying " I pity the fool.." And you are the fool I am speaking about!!!
Again I say BITE me.
I have to guess you are too damn ignorant to understsand me
wjen I say, just don't bother resding my posts if they upset you so much.
Besides in the above example of a sporty going don, was in response to
anothers statement of pull in clutch and hit kill switch.
Was just trying to show that when it is happening to you and everything
is happening in real time and FAST, you most likely will not instinctively
pull the clutch and hit the kill switch. it takes time for the brain to process
all the incoming information make a decision and react. Normally 3/4 to 1 sec
and buy then in many cases kill switch or not may be too late.
so again BITe me you wise azz dumb azz
As Mr T was fond ofsaying " I pity the fool.." And you are the fool I am speaking about!!!
ORIGINAL: russl179
ChewChew.....you are an example of someone who has ZERO class. This thread is not the place for you to do your Sportster whining about HD. This thread is a way to wish the man's family God's speed. You never, ever leave an opportunity to rant about HD. You have no clue on when and where to whine. Your actions are pitiful.
ORIGINAL: choochoo
Number one BITE ME!!
Number two, I'm not the only one here that mentioned it.
Number three So bite me again!!
Yes we will have to see if it can be proven.
But there have been numerous posts about 08 having a high idle
at various times.
The computer should never override what the operator is doing.
the operator may have a valid reason for his action.
all I want people here to do, is if they feel they have a valid complaint
is to not take it lying down like a whipped dog.
got a feeling you are a whipped dog or even worse a company yes man
with no real thoughts of your own! For that I can get a parrot or a myna bird!!
So if you don't like my posts, skip mine.
Number one BITE ME!!
Number two, I'm not the only one here that mentioned it.
Number three So bite me again!!
Yes we will have to see if it can be proven.
But there have been numerous posts about 08 having a high idle
at various times.
The computer should never override what the operator is doing.
the operator may have a valid reason for his action.
all I want people here to do, is if they feel they have a valid complaint
is to not take it lying down like a whipped dog.
got a feeling you are a whipped dog or even worse a company yes man
with no real thoughts of your own! For that I can get a parrot or a myna bird!!
So if you don't like my posts, skip mine.
ORIGINAL: russl179
Through this, you need to bring into the mix your petty problems with HD. You are one sad individual.
ORIGINAL: choochoo
My condolences to the family.
Hope they can prove it was a HD design flaw.
We really need NEW BLOOD AT THE TOP LEVEL OF MOCO
who has real concerns for us customers!
Again my condolences!
My condolences to the family.
Hope they can prove it was a HD design flaw.
We really need NEW BLOOD AT THE TOP LEVEL OF MOCO
who has real concerns for us customers!
Again my condolences!
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And 3/4 of a second is .75 seconds and that actually is quite accurate.
reaction time on a two wheeled bike is different than a 4 wheel cage.
Plus you have other forces acting on you more directly than in a car.
If he was going into a curve as somewhat indicated, he was applying
a certain percentage of throttle based on sharpness of curve, his combined
weight working against centrifugal force, plus the amount of lean and other factors.
To suddenly pull in the clutch to compensate for the over revving and over speeding
could cause the bike to fall into the turn and thus go down anyway.
and your .088 = 9/10 needs to read .88. which means my .75 (3/4) to 1 falls right
in with your statement.
uh oh I got to go here comes my admiring lover chasing me again. .............
reaction time on a two wheeled bike is different than a 4 wheel cage.
Plus you have other forces acting on you more directly than in a car.
If he was going into a curve as somewhat indicated, he was applying
a certain percentage of throttle based on sharpness of curve, his combined
weight working against centrifugal force, plus the amount of lean and other factors.
To suddenly pull in the clutch to compensate for the over revving and over speeding
could cause the bike to fall into the turn and thus go down anyway.
and your .088 = 9/10 needs to read .88. which means my .75 (3/4) to 1 falls right
in with your statement.
uh oh I got to go here comes my admiring lover chasing me again. .............
ORIGINAL: XTrooper3936
If someone actually got killed, I'm sorry for the family's loss, but I have to call Internet BS on the alleged cause. Sounds like someone is looking for a big payday via a trumped up lawsuit to me. If it WAS an out-of-control throttle (electronic or otherwise), and assuming the guy knew where the clutch lever was located, why in hell didn't he just disengage the clutch? Put yourself in the same scenario. What would you do? I never had a bike throttle stick, but it happened to me several times in the junker cars I had when I was young. When it happened, I pushed in the clutch pedal, and pulled onto the shoulder of the road to get it unstuck. Problem solved and without drama.
P.S.- If anyone here has a reaction time of between "3/4 to 1 sec," I suggest they stay the hell of the road. FYI, the average driver's reaction time is .088 seconds, that is, less than 9/10ths of a second.
If someone actually got killed, I'm sorry for the family's loss, but I have to call Internet BS on the alleged cause. Sounds like someone is looking for a big payday via a trumped up lawsuit to me. If it WAS an out-of-control throttle (electronic or otherwise), and assuming the guy knew where the clutch lever was located, why in hell didn't he just disengage the clutch? Put yourself in the same scenario. What would you do? I never had a bike throttle stick, but it happened to me several times in the junker cars I had when I was young. When it happened, I pushed in the clutch pedal, and pulled onto the shoulder of the road to get it unstuck. Problem solved and without drama.
P.S.- If anyone here has a reaction time of between "3/4 to 1 sec," I suggest they stay the hell of the road. FYI, the average driver's reaction time is .088 seconds, that is, less than 9/10ths of a second.
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ORIGINAL: ripper43
I thought the very same thing. Pull in the clutch ? hard to say with out being there.
ORIGINAL: The Baron
My condolences to the involved parties.
I have a question though. Couldn't a guy just pull in the clutch?
This is why I stick to old school carbs and cables. Electrical demons are worthy foes.
My condolences to the involved parties.
I have a question though. Couldn't a guy just pull in the clutch?
This is why I stick to old school carbs and cables. Electrical demons are worthy foes.
Dave
