Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death
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From: NorCal
RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death
Too bad these two subjects are in one post. It bites that somebody died on a bike for any reason. If it was mechanical malfunction that is even worse.We all run the risk that a flat tire, dropped valve, or other failure that would just stop a car could kill on a bike. My deepest sympathy to all in this family.
On the technical front, I side with the innocent until guilty sentiments. On the surface, it hints of thethe Audi unintended acceleration fiasco. 60 Minutes convinced an entire generation of buyers that Audis were unsafe. And then years later it comes out that the victims panicked and stepped on the gas instead of the brake.
On the technical front, I side with the innocent until guilty sentiments. On the surface, it hints of thethe Audi unintended acceleration fiasco. 60 Minutes convinced an entire generation of buyers that Audis were unsafe. And then years later it comes out that the victims panicked and stepped on the gas instead of the brake.
Road Captain
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From: Old River-Winfree, Tx
RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death
My prayers and thoughts are with them.
No matter the cause....nothing will rewind time. Lets just be respectful to the ones we lost as friends....and to the family that lost their loved ones.
Billy G
No matter the cause....nothing will rewind time. Lets just be respectful to the ones we lost as friends....and to the family that lost their loved ones.
Billy G
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RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death
ORIGINAL: 8up
Any time and any way a Biker dies it is traggic,but how do they know the throtte stuck?
Any time and any way a Biker dies it is traggic,but how do they know the throtte stuck?
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RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death
ORIGINAL: ww1flyingace
Because if it was NOT the bikes fault, there's no huge corporation to sue.
ORIGINAL: 8up
Any time and any way a Biker dies it is traggic,but how do they know the throtte stuck?
Any time and any way a Biker dies it is traggic,but how do they know the throtte stuck?
Road Warrior
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From: Matthews, NC
RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death
ORIGINAL: choochoo
Number one BITE ME!!
Number two, I'm not the only one here that mentioned it.
Number three So bite me again!!
Yes we will have to see if it can be proven.
But there have been numerous posts about 08 having a high idle
at various times.
The computer should never override what the operator is doing.
the operator may have a valid reason for his action.
all I want people here to do, is if they feel they have a valid complaint
is to not take it lying down like a whipped dog.
got a feeling you are a whipped dog or even worse a company yes man
with no real thoughts of your own! For that I can get a parrot or a myna bird!!
So if you don't like my posts, skip mine.
Number one BITE ME!!
Number two, I'm not the only one here that mentioned it.
Number three So bite me again!!
Yes we will have to see if it can be proven.
But there have been numerous posts about 08 having a high idle
at various times.
The computer should never override what the operator is doing.
the operator may have a valid reason for his action.
all I want people here to do, is if they feel they have a valid complaint
is to not take it lying down like a whipped dog.
got a feeling you are a whipped dog or even worse a company yes man
with no real thoughts of your own! For that I can get a parrot or a myna bird!!
So if you don't like my posts, skip mine.
ORIGINAL: russl179
Through this, you need to bring into the mix your petty problems with HD. You are one sad individual.
ORIGINAL: choochoo
My condolences to the family.
Hope they can prove it was a HD design flaw.
We really need NEW BLOOD AT THE TOP LEVEL OF MOCO
who has real concerns for us customers!
Again my condolences!
My condolences to the family.
Hope they can prove it was a HD design flaw.
We really need NEW BLOOD AT THE TOP LEVEL OF MOCO
who has real concerns for us customers!
Again my condolences!
Road Warrior
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From: Matthews, NC
RE: Anyone seen this
ORIGINAL: choochoo
let's see HDMOCO can't make a simple outdoor thermometer
(ambient air temp) work right, and you're going to trust them
with your life to make a TBW that works flawlessly?
I don't think so!!!
let's see HDMOCO can't make a simple outdoor thermometer
(ambient air temp) work right, and you're going to trust them
with your life to make a TBW that works flawlessly?
I don't think so!!!
ORIGINAL: ripper43
Thats just it, it's not new It'sbeen around a long time. maybe not in this application but in many others.
ORIGINAL: jag1886
I looked at 08's RC'sbefore purchasing my 07RC. I told my wife it the showroom that I wasn't willing to trust my life to some new technology that Harley had dreamed up.
I looked at 08's RC'sbefore purchasing my 07RC. I told my wife it the showroom that I wasn't willing to trust my life to some new technology that Harley had dreamed up.
This is about a man's life, you dolt....not about your daily rant about the air temp gauge. Get a freaking life.
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From: New Bern NC
RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death
My condolences to the family and friends.
Reading this thread and a few others on the TBW issue I've noticed that the 08 owners who have actually experienced a problem have posted about an idle problem only, no sticking throttles and no accelerations.
The idle problem is between the ECU and the throttle control motor, it haslittle to do with thegrip sensor. It is a nuisance problem not a life threatening issue, and a simple procedure has been posted to reset it. Simply the learning curve of something new. As far as some of the statements that cars don't do this and it's an HD issue, sorry that's far from true. All computer controlled vehicles, ALL OF THEM, exhibit a learning curve based on driver input. Many parameters are adjusted based on individual driving habits. The high idle issue is simply one of those parameters in Harley's programming, Programming that I believe was written by DELPHI.(Same as General Motors).
As far as a sticking throttle or an accelerating throttle I haven't seen any first hand posts yet from someone with an 08 that has actually had those problems, just a lot of 07 and earlier owners making claims about something they think or predict will happen. The signal from the TBW is not a simply an on and off switch. It's a complicated signal with redundant fail safes to prevent unintended acceleration.
If anyone WHO RIDES AN 08 bike would like to post about other then idleproblemsthat THEY HAVE ACTUALKNOWLEDGE ofI'm sure I'm not the only member here who would like tohere about it.
Reading this thread and a few others on the TBW issue I've noticed that the 08 owners who have actually experienced a problem have posted about an idle problem only, no sticking throttles and no accelerations.
The idle problem is between the ECU and the throttle control motor, it haslittle to do with thegrip sensor. It is a nuisance problem not a life threatening issue, and a simple procedure has been posted to reset it. Simply the learning curve of something new. As far as some of the statements that cars don't do this and it's an HD issue, sorry that's far from true. All computer controlled vehicles, ALL OF THEM, exhibit a learning curve based on driver input. Many parameters are adjusted based on individual driving habits. The high idle issue is simply one of those parameters in Harley's programming, Programming that I believe was written by DELPHI.(Same as General Motors).
As far as a sticking throttle or an accelerating throttle I haven't seen any first hand posts yet from someone with an 08 that has actually had those problems, just a lot of 07 and earlier owners making claims about something they think or predict will happen. The signal from the TBW is not a simply an on and off switch. It's a complicated signal with redundant fail safes to prevent unintended acceleration.
If anyone WHO RIDES AN 08 bike would like to post about other then idleproblemsthat THEY HAVE ACTUALKNOWLEDGE ofI'm sure I'm not the only member here who would like tohere about it.
Road Captain
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From: Lakewood, N.J.
RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death
I usually don't post on alot of issues but I started reading this post since it started and have returned for the updates.
I was out riding with my son today and we stopped by the HD dealer because he had a recall on his regulator. Now I'm not an Ole salt when it comes to riding, I'm a newbie and I got into this riding so I can spend more time with my son. So here's what happen to me. I'm parked in a parking space at the HD facing out into the lane. You have to make an immediate sharp left turn to exit. I start my exit to the leftand the RPM's shoot up. First thing that hit's me is this thread (holy cr*p!). I pull in the clutch and the RPM's are going up higher. TBW fault you say, not even close. When I left the space and started my left turn I had 3 fingers laying on the brake and thumb-palm wrap on the grip, making the left turn forced the throttle to increase the RPM. I couldn't release the grip it felt like it was glued there, but I did have the sense to pull the clutch and then got the throttle rolled down. Embarrassed yes as others saw it happen. This instance was defiantly my fault and luckily I have learn from this.
I was out riding with my son today and we stopped by the HD dealer because he had a recall on his regulator. Now I'm not an Ole salt when it comes to riding, I'm a newbie and I got into this riding so I can spend more time with my son. So here's what happen to me. I'm parked in a parking space at the HD facing out into the lane. You have to make an immediate sharp left turn to exit. I start my exit to the leftand the RPM's shoot up. First thing that hit's me is this thread (holy cr*p!). I pull in the clutch and the RPM's are going up higher. TBW fault you say, not even close. When I left the space and started my left turn I had 3 fingers laying on the brake and thumb-palm wrap on the grip, making the left turn forced the throttle to increase the RPM. I couldn't release the grip it felt like it was glued there, but I did have the sense to pull the clutch and then got the throttle rolled down. Embarrassed yes as others saw it happen. This instance was defiantly my fault and luckily I have learn from this.
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