Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death
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RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death
Foremost, my sincere condolences to the victim's family. And I pray for his wife's speedy recovery.
Wannet, I encountered the exact problem on a 2008 EGC that I rented 2 weeks ago. I called the dealer and I was told that this symptom is normal on the 2008 modelsfor the first 1K miles.
Wannet, I encountered the exact problem on a 2008 EGC that I rented 2 weeks ago. I called the dealer and I was told that this symptom is normal on the 2008 modelsfor the first 1K miles.
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Number one BITE ME!!
Number two, I'm not the only one here that mentioned it.
Number three So bite me again!!
Yes we will have to see if it can be proven.
But there have been numerous posts about 08 having a high idle
at various times.
The computer should never override what the operator is doing.
the operator may have a valid reason for his action.
all I want people here to do, is if they feel they have a valid complaint
is to not take it lying down like a whipped dog.
got a feeling you are a whipped dog or even worse a company yes man
with no real thoughts of your own! For that I can get a parrot or a myna bird!!
So if you don't like my posts, skip mine.
Number two, I'm not the only one here that mentioned it.
Number three So bite me again!!
Yes we will have to see if it can be proven.
But there have been numerous posts about 08 having a high idle
at various times.
The computer should never override what the operator is doing.
the operator may have a valid reason for his action.
all I want people here to do, is if they feel they have a valid complaint
is to not take it lying down like a whipped dog.
got a feeling you are a whipped dog or even worse a company yes man
with no real thoughts of your own! For that I can get a parrot or a myna bird!!
So if you don't like my posts, skip mine.
ORIGINAL: russl179
Through this, you need to bring into the mix your petty problems with HD. You are one sad individual.
ORIGINAL: choochoo
My condolences to the family.
Hope they can prove it was a HD design flaw.
We really need NEW BLOOD AT THE TOP LEVEL OF MOCO
who has real concerns for us customers!
Again my condolences!
My condolences to the family.
Hope they can prove it was a HD design flaw.
We really need NEW BLOOD AT THE TOP LEVEL OF MOCO
who has real concerns for us customers!
Again my condolences!
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RE: Anyone seen this
No news reports of anything like this in the local media outlets from March.
A guy did die on a bike on a downtown Fort Worth Interstate Highway on Monday night, but he was most likely not a Boozefighter, since alcohol is suspected as a contributing factor.
A guy did die on a bike on a downtown Fort Worth Interstate Highway on Monday night, but he was most likely not a Boozefighter, since alcohol is suspected as a contributing factor.
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not to make light of it,
but I doubt you would react fast enough or
even think about it.
As you are merrily riding along and all is good and suddenly
something goes wrong.
You're thinking in this case,let off the throttle, apply brakes
lean, try to ride it (because it isn't that bad at first), then you're
thinking of the missus, and hope she's ok and doesn't shift her weight
cause she's scared, further exascerbating the problem.
Then you would proably think of the kill switch.
By then it is most likely too late. You're far enough into the curve, that
with the stuck throttle (and possibly rising rpms) centrifugal force has
got you and now even if you hit the kill switch it most likely won't do you
any good.
you may lean harder to stay on the road,but you're still likely going down, HARD.
Plus deflector poles on edge or other posts may snag you, spin you or tumble you
or you're caught up on the bike and you and it tumble. Or You and bike run off
edge or slide and go through whatever,tumble,slide bounce.
Nope Very doubtfull natural instinct will be to quickly hit the kill switch.
Maybe if you practice hitting it a lot while in trouble and going down (like in MX).
Beside we get too complacent and distracted when riding, I know we've all been there.
Got a 71 sporty sitting at bottom of mountain above big bear / lake arrowhead
that can attest to that. little frost on road one November morning coming down from
DeepCreek (nude skinny dipping in the early 70's). hit it and slid across the road and off.
Narrow two lane at the top back then with stone pillars and logging chain for guard rails.
nope kill switch wasn't even in my mind back then. Hell I can't even remember if the sporty
had oneor not, but doesn't matter now anyway, but the 350cl honda scrambler I got to
replace it did have one.
but I doubt you would react fast enough or
even think about it.
As you are merrily riding along and all is good and suddenly
something goes wrong.
You're thinking in this case,let off the throttle, apply brakes
lean, try to ride it (because it isn't that bad at first), then you're
thinking of the missus, and hope she's ok and doesn't shift her weight
cause she's scared, further exascerbating the problem.
Then you would proably think of the kill switch.
By then it is most likely too late. You're far enough into the curve, that
with the stuck throttle (and possibly rising rpms) centrifugal force has
got you and now even if you hit the kill switch it most likely won't do you
any good.
you may lean harder to stay on the road,but you're still likely going down, HARD.
Plus deflector poles on edge or other posts may snag you, spin you or tumble you
or you're caught up on the bike and you and it tumble. Or You and bike run off
edge or slide and go through whatever,tumble,slide bounce.
Nope Very doubtfull natural instinct will be to quickly hit the kill switch.
Maybe if you practice hitting it a lot while in trouble and going down (like in MX).
Beside we get too complacent and distracted when riding, I know we've all been there.
Got a 71 sporty sitting at bottom of mountain above big bear / lake arrowhead
that can attest to that. little frost on road one November morning coming down from
DeepCreek (nude skinny dipping in the early 70's). hit it and slid across the road and off.
Narrow two lane at the top back then with stone pillars and logging chain for guard rails.
nope kill switch wasn't even in my mind back then. Hell I can't even remember if the sporty
had oneor not, but doesn't matter now anyway, but the 350cl honda scrambler I got to
replace it did have one.
ORIGINAL: iclick
...or flip the handlebar kill switch, or turn the ignition switch off. Not to diminish the gravity of the situation, but an experienced rider would instinctively flip the kill switch, I would think.
ORIGINAL: The Baron
I have a question though. Couldn't a guy just pull in the clutch?
I have a question though. Couldn't a guy just pull in the clutch?
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SORRY FOR YOUR LOST.I agree that pulling clutch or hiting kill switch could have been done.The problem is we are talking after the fact and not while heading toards something when ***** going wrong.As former racer I can tell you no one can say I would have done_____.its all differant when its your *** on wild ride.
Again sorry man,only thing good is if die doing what you love its as bad as dying while working or suffering from illnes,thats just my veiw on it though.
Again sorry man,only thing good is if die doing what you love its as bad as dying while working or suffering from illnes,thats just my veiw on it though.
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ORIGINAL: Jim Dawson
Equally ridiculous is believing that the electronic throttle is not only new,but a Harley innovation.
ORIGINAL: Windup08
Thank you for saying what I wanted to, but couldn't find the right words. I feel very sorry for this and any biker that goes down in an accident, but to declare all 08 FBW bikes a death waiting to happen is ridiculous.
Thank you for saying what I wanted to, but couldn't find the right words. I feel very sorry for this and any biker that goes down in an accident, but to declare all 08 FBW bikes a death waiting to happen is ridiculous.
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RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death
Sad accident, but don't condemn TBW just yet. HD didn't invent it, it's been around for years. I know we have had fire engines with it for over 16 years.
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man that sucks
SORRY FOR THE LOSS. MAY GOD BE WITH HIM AND HIS FAMILY
SORRY FOR THE LOSS. MAY GOD BE WITH HIM AND HIS FAMILY
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RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death
It's easy to say hit the kill switch or pull the clutch lever back, but you need to realize thatwhen throttle accelerates unexpectedly, it will throw you back in your seat and both hands can easily slip off the hand grips.
The question that needs to be asked is... were they using an after-market race tuner on this bike?
The question that needs to be asked is... were they using an after-market race tuner on this bike?
