Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death
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RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death
ORIGINAL: YodaddyKeith
Come on!...Get real!...Stop defending the stupid asses that designed HD TBW.
Yeah, fersure it's proven tech on many cars, but how many cars out there will reset the throttle if you shut engine off while you have it reved up?.....None....Only Harley does this!
Yep, if you have engine reved when you hit kill switch, the new idle speed is where the engine was when you killed it.....NOW THAT IS FARKED UP!
Yet many of you heresay it's just a glitch and we should learn to not use kill switch least we end up with out of control idle speed.....
You defenders with '08 TBW might end up in a ditch bleeding out while the MOCO and EMT's and all your friends whisper it was operator error(like is always is to John Public whenever a biker gets splattered).....Yeah, wait till you end up like that then try to prove TBW failed.....The bike will be wrecked, you will be wrecked, and all the King's horses and all his men won't be able to determine what really happened.
Come on!...Get real!...Stop defending the stupid asses that designed HD TBW.
Yeah, fersure it's proven tech on many cars, but how many cars out there will reset the throttle if you shut engine off while you have it reved up?.....None....Only Harley does this!
Yep, if you have engine reved when you hit kill switch, the new idle speed is where the engine was when you killed it.....NOW THAT IS FARKED UP!
Yet many of you heresay it's just a glitch and we should learn to not use kill switch least we end up with out of control idle speed.....
You defenders with '08 TBW might end up in a ditch bleeding out while the MOCO and EMT's and all your friends whisper it was operator error(like is always is to John Public whenever a biker gets splattered).....Yeah, wait till you end up like that then try to prove TBW failed.....The bike will be wrecked, you will be wrecked, and all the King's horses and all his men won't be able to determine what really happened.
Cruiser
Joined: Apr 2008
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From: Mediapolis, IA
RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death
Everybody is just assuming that the TBW stuck open. Knowbody has any proof.
I'm not worried about TBW, I even went out and bought a new 08 SG after reading some of these posts.
I'm glad this was posted though, it might save someone life since they now know what to do if it sticks. Pull the clutch or hit the kill switch.
I'm not worried about TBW, I even went out and bought a new 08 SG after reading some of these posts.
I'm glad this was posted though, it might save someone life since they now know what to do if it sticks. Pull the clutch or hit the kill switch.
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RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death
Again I say BITE me.
I have to guess you are too damn ignorant to understsand me
wjen I say, just don't bother resding my posts if they upset you so much.
Besides in the above example of a sporty going don, was in response to
anothers statement of pull in clutch and hit kill switch.
Was just trying to show that when it is happening to you and everything
is happening in real time and FAST, you most likely will not instinctively
pull the clutch and hit the kill switch. it takes time for the brain to process
all the incoming information make a decision and react. Normally 3/4 to 1 sec
and buy then in many cases kill switch or not may be too late.
so again BITe me you wise azz dumb azz
As Mr T was fond ofsaying " I pity the fool.." And you are the fool I am speaking about!!!
I have to guess you are too damn ignorant to understsand me
wjen I say, just don't bother resding my posts if they upset you so much.
Besides in the above example of a sporty going don, was in response to
anothers statement of pull in clutch and hit kill switch.
Was just trying to show that when it is happening to you and everything
is happening in real time and FAST, you most likely will not instinctively
pull the clutch and hit the kill switch. it takes time for the brain to process
all the incoming information make a decision and react. Normally 3/4 to 1 sec
and buy then in many cases kill switch or not may be too late.
so again BITe me you wise azz dumb azz
As Mr T was fond ofsaying " I pity the fool.." And you are the fool I am speaking about!!!
ORIGINAL: russl179
ChewChew.....you are an example of someone who has ZERO class. This thread is not the place for you to do your Sportster whining about HD. This thread is a way to wish the man's family God's speed. You never, ever leave an opportunity to rant about HD. You have no clue on when and where to whine. Your actions are pitiful.
ORIGINAL: choochoo
Number one BITE ME!!
Number two, I'm not the only one here that mentioned it.
Number three So bite me again!!
Yes we will have to see if it can be proven.
But there have been numerous posts about 08 having a high idle
at various times.
The computer should never override what the operator is doing.
the operator may have a valid reason for his action.
all I want people here to do, is if they feel they have a valid complaint
is to not take it lying down like a whipped dog.
got a feeling you are a whipped dog or even worse a company yes man
with no real thoughts of your own! For that I can get a parrot or a myna bird!!
So if you don't like my posts, skip mine.
Number one BITE ME!!
Number two, I'm not the only one here that mentioned it.
Number three So bite me again!!
Yes we will have to see if it can be proven.
But there have been numerous posts about 08 having a high idle
at various times.
The computer should never override what the operator is doing.
the operator may have a valid reason for his action.
all I want people here to do, is if they feel they have a valid complaint
is to not take it lying down like a whipped dog.
got a feeling you are a whipped dog or even worse a company yes man
with no real thoughts of your own! For that I can get a parrot or a myna bird!!
So if you don't like my posts, skip mine.
ORIGINAL: russl179
Through this, you need to bring into the mix your petty problems with HD. You are one sad individual.
ORIGINAL: choochoo
My condolences to the family.
Hope they can prove it was a HD design flaw.
We really need NEW BLOOD AT THE TOP LEVEL OF MOCO
who has real concerns for us customers!
Again my condolences!
My condolences to the family.
Hope they can prove it was a HD design flaw.
We really need NEW BLOOD AT THE TOP LEVEL OF MOCO
who has real concerns for us customers!
Again my condolences!
Road Warrior
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,621
Likes: 1
From: Matthews, NC
RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death
ORIGINAL: choochoo
Again I say BITE me.
I have to guess you are too damn ignorant to understsand me
wjen I say, just don't bother resding my posts if they upset you so much.
Besides in the above example of a sporty going don, was in response to
anothers statement of pull in clutch and hit kill switch.
Was just trying to show that when it is happening to you and everything
is happening in real time and FAST, you most likely will not instinctively
pull the clutch and hit the kill switch. it takes time for the brain to process
all the incoming information make a decision and react. Normally 3/4 to 1 sec
and buy then in many cases kill switch or not may be too late.
so again BITe me you wise azz dumb azz
As Mr T was fond ofsaying " I pity the fool.." And you are the fool I am speaking about!!!
Again I say BITE me.
I have to guess you are too damn ignorant to understsand me
wjen I say, just don't bother resding my posts if they upset you so much.
Besides in the above example of a sporty going don, was in response to
anothers statement of pull in clutch and hit kill switch.
Was just trying to show that when it is happening to you and everything
is happening in real time and FAST, you most likely will not instinctively
pull the clutch and hit the kill switch. it takes time for the brain to process
all the incoming information make a decision and react. Normally 3/4 to 1 sec
and buy then in many cases kill switch or not may be too late.
so again BITe me you wise azz dumb azz
As Mr T was fond ofsaying " I pity the fool.." And you are the fool I am speaking about!!!
ORIGINAL: russl179
ChewChew.....you are an example of someone who has ZERO class. This thread is not the place for you to do your Sportster whining about HD. This thread is a way to wish the man's family God's speed. You never, ever leave an opportunity to rant about HD. You have no clue on when and where to whine. Your actions are pitiful.
ORIGINAL: choochoo
Number one BITE ME!!
Number two, I'm not the only one here that mentioned it.
Number three So bite me again!!
Yes we will have to see if it can be proven.
But there have been numerous posts about 08 having a high idle
at various times.
The computer should never override what the operator is doing.
the operator may have a valid reason for his action.
all I want people here to do, is if they feel they have a valid complaint
is to not take it lying down like a whipped dog.
got a feeling you are a whipped dog or even worse a company yes man
with no real thoughts of your own! For that I can get a parrot or a myna bird!!
So if you don't like my posts, skip mine.
Number one BITE ME!!
Number two, I'm not the only one here that mentioned it.
Number three So bite me again!!
Yes we will have to see if it can be proven.
But there have been numerous posts about 08 having a high idle
at various times.
The computer should never override what the operator is doing.
the operator may have a valid reason for his action.
all I want people here to do, is if they feel they have a valid complaint
is to not take it lying down like a whipped dog.
got a feeling you are a whipped dog or even worse a company yes man
with no real thoughts of your own! For that I can get a parrot or a myna bird!!
So if you don't like my posts, skip mine.
ORIGINAL: russl179
Through this, you need to bring into the mix your petty problems with HD. You are one sad individual.
ORIGINAL: choochoo
My condolences to the family.
Hope they can prove it was a HD design flaw.
We really need NEW BLOOD AT THE TOP LEVEL OF MOCO
who has real concerns for us customers!
Again my condolences!
My condolences to the family.
Hope they can prove it was a HD design flaw.
We really need NEW BLOOD AT THE TOP LEVEL OF MOCO
who has real concerns for us customers!
Again my condolences!
Road Warrior
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,830
Likes: 8
From: Retired and living in the mountains of NE PA
RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death
If someone actually got killed, I'm sorry for the family's loss, but I have to call Internet BS on the alleged cause. Sounds like someone is looking for a big payday via a trumped up lawsuit to me. If it WAS an out-of-control throttle (electronic or otherwise), and assuming the guy knew where the clutch lever was located, why in hell didn't he just disengage the clutch? Put yourself in the same scenario. What would you do? I never had a bike throttle stick, but it happened to me several times in the junker cars I had when I was young. When it happened, I pushed in the clutch pedal, and pulled onto the shoulder of the road to get it unstuck. Problem solved and without drama.
P.S.- If anyone here has a reaction time of between "3/4 to 1 sec," I suggest they stay the hell of the road. FYI, the average driver's reaction time is .088 seconds, that is, less than 9/10ths of a second.
P.S.- If anyone here has a reaction time of between "3/4 to 1 sec," I suggest they stay the hell of the road. FYI, the average driver's reaction time is .088 seconds, that is, less than 9/10ths of a second.
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Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 21
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RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death
Harley did not invent TBW the Yamaha R1 has it for two years already came originaly from GP race bikes.in case itsticks, just pull in the clutch.
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RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death
ORIGINAL: HARDGLIDE
Harley did not invent TBW the Yamaha R1 has it for two years already came originaly from GP race bikes.in case itsticks, just pull in the clutch.
Harley did not invent TBW the Yamaha R1 has it for two years already came originaly from GP race bikes.in case itsticks, just pull in the clutch.
Cruiser
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 220
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From: Sheboygan, Wisconsin
RE: Anyone seen this ? TBW causes death
First off...sorry for the loss. Yes, I have heard of this problem. Harley is dragging it's feet to solve the issue. I hope this gets their attention, and forces them to do a full recall before someone else gets hurt.