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Hey Redneck,
Thats great for Texas, in AZ it is just the other end.
Go into any shop for a 2007 full price, 2008 full price,
or a 2006 500 off. My guess is we offer the largest
inventory this side of the Mississippi. You need a bike
at full list this is the state to come.
Harley needs to cut back on production. Take it back to the levels in the '90s. HD gambled wrongly thinking that demand would match supply. They need to flip the equation. Force supply to meet the demand. It would work in everyone's favor: They can charge what they need to make good profits, and buyers can get the resale value they want/need when they look to upgrade to a bigger bike or newer model.
We only have one dealer here in Albuquerque. He has a ton of bikes, and he sells them all over MSRP. I got into a little discussion with one of the sales guys over the new cross bones. When I asked the price, what he told me was $4k over msrp... so I told him so. He then argued with me about it. I just said fine, and walked away. A week later, I talked to the only sales guy that I think is a good guy. He flat out told me that they sell their bikes over msrp, and most buyers believe the other guys when they say what the inflated msrp is. I bought my bike a couple of years ago. I bought it out of state, because that was where the best price is (even with shipping). My bike is not an investment, I didn't buy it as such. That being said, I paid cash for my bike, and I do know if I need money, I could sell it... I will not get what I paid for it, but if things were so bad that I had to sell it, I would just hope for the best price I could get...
I don't know about this glut thing. All the dealers I visit are cranking them out at a good clip this year. Naples which is a traditionally slow dealer - about one bike a day has different inventory on the floor every time I walk in. I do see a bunch of the 105th anniversary bikes sitting around.
I try not to pay attention to anecdotal evidence. The overwhelming majority of dealers are MSRP + tax. Most of them are MSRP + Freight. At least half still do MSRP + Freight + Set Up + tax. I am in Michigan and stopped at two large dealers in Detroit area over weekend. They are anxious to sell bikes but they are not real flexible. Yes you can get a little better deal then a couple years ago, but they are still holding pretty tight in our horrid economy. So every now and then someone hits the jackpot with a kick a** deal. Like most stated earlier in thread. It's not an investment, it's about enjoyment. And of course you don't want to get hosed. And always be prepared to offer a fair price and be prepared to walk away. It is early in riding season and every dealer I have visited in recent months have much less inventory than last year. You won't see nearly as many 08's in the fall as we did 07's.
There are a very few dealers that are realistic and in tune with the world or Harleys today. They understand that the old supply and demand is no longer in their favour and are doing what's necessary to move their bikes to make room for the 09's. Palm Beach H-D is giving $1,100 off MSRP for example. It's in big bold print on their website even. The dealers who are still trying to force us to buy at MSRP, plus,plus,plushave their daysnumbered in my oppinion. It takes usas buyers to make them accountable for their actions.What burns me up is that you add 10K in extras to your three year old bike and the dealer says these extras are worthless at resale time and also depreciates your bike to the max claiming poor used bike sales or the industry is a little slow...butttttttttttt............when you see the trade in's on the floor theirprice is above a new MSRP because of the value of these so called worthless accessories. If we shop with our heads and not with our hearts we can make thedealers be reasonable.If they don't bend then they will fail.JMO
No toy is a good financial investment but they are a great investment towards your mental health.
I'm as happy as a kid on Christmas Morning everytime I take the cover off my biketo go for a ride.
I have spoken to folks at my dealership they are all in a good mood. New are selling quite well. The parts department is making a ton of money and so is serivice.
They haveMSRP price tags on all the bikeswith significant discounts on parts and clothes at the time of purchase.
If you are serious and ready to buy I thinkyou can get a little off MSRP. I did when I bought my 08. Not much but it made me feel good.
They are giving good money on trade ins. Used bikes don't last long on the floor. They price them right and they are gone.
Maybe it's regional but things seem fine in my area.
I don't care about resale value or supply and demand or any other thing
that might effect the value of my bike. I am going to ride it until it is
a bucket of bolts.
We only have one dealer here in Albuquerque. He has a ton of bikes, and he sells them all over MSRP. I got into a little discussion with one of the sales guys over the new cross bones. When I asked the price, what he told me was $4k over msrp... so I told him so. He then argued with me about it. I just said fine, and walked away. A week later, I talked to the only sales guy that I think is a good guy. He flat out told me that they sell their bikes over msrp, and most buyers believe the other guys when they say what the inflated msrp is. I bought my bike a couple of years ago. I bought it out of state, because that was where the best price is (even with shipping). My bike is not an investment, I didn't buy it as such. That being said, I paid cash for my bike, and I do know if I need money, I could sell it... I will not get what I paid for it, but if things were so bad that I had to sell it, I would just hope for the best price I could get...
PapaTravis... Don't know who you spoke with at T-Bird but I walked in two weeks ago and got a quote from Fuzzy for an '08 Street Glide for MSRP+freight/setup. I flashed an email quote from another dealer and they came straight back with that. Think I'll pick it up next month.
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