We get Choo to tell us how to fix it and Dawg to give us them part numbers we can put them
stealer out of buisness!!!

 

[quote]ORIGINAL: choochoo

I know you already got the bike at the dealer and they ordered a new harness and it's out of your hands now.
But from your last post olde skool,
You apparently ignored what I said.
Maybe you don't have a manual and others here don't either, in which case you all need to read another post I made.
"I don't understand why you guys go out and spend approx $20k on a new bike and then are too lazy or CHEAP to buy a $60 (about) manual for your bike ($120-$140 for both)!
then come here and whine when you can't figure something out. And whatever else.
I spent a lot of time and money learning the profession I was in ..Mechanics.
I did 7 yrs of electronic systems in the corp on choppers and jets, infinitely more complex than our bikes.
Went to college on automotive systems ( and our bikes use an automotive system ignition),
was confused on how it operated til a instructor took me aside for an hour, explained it in laymans terms. Then the light came on and it made perfect sense.
If you all understand carb systems (most here don't but think they do) then the F.I. is easy.
Carbs have multiple mechanical systems to do it's job. The F.I has all those same parts, just electronic is all. Like the float in a carb. float and needle regulate how much fuel can get into the bowl without flooding over, or starving by not having enough. The fuel pump and pressure regulator do the same thing in F.I.
Accelerator pump in carb gave extra fuel to apply power for take off and passing, the MAP/BAR sensor does the same, The carb had a choke for starting (less air =more fuel) the IAC does the same thing in a FUEL INJECTION SYSTEM.
Yes in a carb you could see if you had fuel, In FI you need the electronics tools and the right tester. NO these tools aren't cheap but if you are going to work on your own bike you will have to buy them!
And knowledge and know how isn't cheap either! Take the time to learn.
If you can't afford the time or money to go to school, BUY THE BOOKS (both HD and a basic
how FI works) and study them!!! Or get on the web and do a google search on FI and how it works. The basics are simple!
I am not always right in my diagnosis, nobody is, and I am at a disadvantage, I can't see your bike and put a tester on it, I don't have access to all the new stuff like the dealer has, nor the HD school your dealer and tech has. But I can give you a logical procedure of what to look for.
But you can get that from a flow chart in the DAMN MANUALS!!
A 5th grader can follow the flow chart, you ought to be able too!!! But you got to BUY THE DAMN MANUAL FIRST!
As in above without it you didn't FN know that the voltage would be zero to the pump.
(NO I don't know where you had the meter probe at) but the book lays it out for you.
Some things on the bike are analog, some are digital. If you don't use a digital meter, you take a chance of ruining a digital item on the bike.
Now if there WAS NO voltage on the RED wire at the fuse box, you need to back track that ONE wire to find out why (the manual said it would be dead). The system relay powers up the red wire( if I remember right), so the ECM was either doing it's job, or the system relay was bad or something before it.

Now how about printing the above info (in my first reply) and showing it to the dealer and confirm if what I said was true, and if they knew this, and if maybe there might be another problem.
I need to go read the manual again but if pin 13 or 31 do not get voltage no codes will be set.
or if 13 no voltage, codes will be set but it won't be cleared, it will act cleared till next restart.
something like that, like I said I need to read it again.
Not EVERY failure in a FI system will set a trouble code. Sometimes the TECH (whoever it is even you) need to use the gray matter and a fn manual and logically trace out w

 

Hey Choo...Guess what I did? I ordered the Electrical Diagnostic Manual (99497-07)AND the Parts Catalog (99456-07A) from Chicago HD. This will supplement my shop manual and your displeasure of us folks who do not have the "DAMN MANUALS". Just busting your chops ...All kidding aside, thanks for your input too!

 

Yes he could have and accolades to him for not doing so.

 

good, it's a little late but better late than never.
But as I understand it the bike is under warranty and the dealer should take care of.
And it will be interesting to find what was really at fault.
It could be the harness, but highly doubtful, as it was working fine before.
A defect in assembly that just showed up is a possibility.
But the manual would of helped confirmed your test.
Not knowing exactly where you put the meter and got no volts I can't say postively.
But going by past experience and what my manual says, you got zero, and that is
what you should have gotten. I would have to get out the schematic at this point and
see if the red wire leading to the fuel fuse is actully powered by the system relay as it appears
to be when reading the text.
After you get the book if you don't understand how to read a wiring schematic find someone
in your area that does, and ask him / her to show you.Pretty easy now a days. They label things where before they just used a common symbol (common to the engineers that is).
But it seems plausible your fuel pak may have done something.
do you remember what the other actual voltage was? and on what pin?
Was there any trouble codes at all?
I didn't mean to bust your chops, but it gets tiring and aggravating hearing and seeing everybody posting questions that most of the time is in the manual. Get it and read it.
Then if you're confused come here and ask questions. Point us to the manual you used and the section. They don't change much year to year. Now 06 touring won't have the O2 in it
and 06 / 07 won't have the new TBW and if we don't own one of those bikes we probably
won't buy those books, that would be silly unless we are a shop.
But the basics and other unchanged systems will stay the relatively the same.
This way we can read our book and see what may be confusing you.
and try to help.
here is a link on basic automotive engines and carbsand fuel injection from the web

http://www.howstuffworks.com/engine.htm
http:/https://www.hdforums.com/m_142113/tm.htm/www.siu.edu/~autoclub/frange.html
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question377.htm(read this and remember a previous post said it is basically a straw) carburetor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carburetor


http://www.autoshop101.com/forms/h20.pdf

did you disconnect the fuel pack and try it? what happened? did it try to start?
actual ignition is dependent on many things.
your tsm /tssm, ckp, cam sensor, iac, tps, map, the ecm, various fuses and relays

like in my post buddies 01 ultra died. I had to remember everything in my head what was in the system, what all could cause the problem, and while cranking, what to listen for and look for, and while could I most likely dismiss any one thing.
I heard pump start and stop,numerous times so new it was getting power, and the ckp was
most likely working.
I knew from experience how to check his pressure regulator (doen't mean pump was supplying enough fuel).
How to check for proper spark. You can have great spark outside of engine but have it fail inside
the engine under compression and combustion.
Took me about a 1/2 hour to diagnose and come to the most reasonable and probable problem.
Nobody in that post has told me what it was yet. Mostly cause they are pizzed at me, but
they are missing out on a valuable learning experience, not me.
Now ask the dealer in a way that he has to admit he knows or doesn't know how the voltage at
the pump works (give him a trick question.. serv mgr, shop mgr, and tech) see if they know?
apparently from your descriptio

 

Hope they don't void it, they recommended the Fuelpak over the PC. I specifically asked if'n the FP would void the warranty.

Choo...I got zero volts at the fuse block with the fuse removed. Was by myself and not enough hands to hold meter probes and turn the switches at the same time. Good point on the circuit only being energized until the fuel system is pressurized. I could hear the fuel pump, BUT it was making a very different "strange" sound. It is killing me with the waiting... I wanna go to OBX bike week as it is about an hour South of me. Gonna be really bad if the scoot ain't fixed and I can hear all the Harleys heading South on the 168 bypass.[:@]