ride the train to work - got friendly with this conductor who rides and there is this other passenger guy who just got a bike (honda shadow) this year - has never ridden before that.
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we talk about bikes and such all the time.&nbsp\\; he asks questions about riding.&nbsp\\; i had said that i would meet him some day and we could do some "practicing together".&nbsp\\; he declined the offer.&nbsp\\; i felt he was either embarrased or something else was going on.
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so i saw him today - he went down recently - 4 lane undivided - heavily used - rush hour time frame - he was in the right lane - saw a car at the sidestreet - he looked right at the driver - the car had stopped - he was going around 30 - the car pulled out - he hit the brakes and went down - dented gas tank - bent shift level - broken clavicle - brused rib and elbow - gash in head with stitches. he was doing about 30, slowed to maybe 15 or so before he went down.
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i wish he would go out with me (or someone else) to practice as i think this could have been avoided had he practiced panic stops.
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he didn't understand why he went down.&nbsp\\; i said it was probably because you hit the breaks and turned at the same time.
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i had told him to get the "ride like a pro" - which he didn't order but did go to the web site
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i wish i knew how to convince this guy to go with me so we could practice stuff together.&nbsp\\; now his attitude is "i just won't go out in rush hour any more".&nbsp\\; i am not saying that you should go out in rush hour traffic - but if you avoid it because you don't know how to ride in it then it is just that you don't really know how to ride.
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i metioned a bunch of other things to him as well - this kinda all came out in the conversation with him and me and two other guys just talking about like motorcycling best practies
- drive in the left lane.&nbsp\\; chances are better that someone will cut you off from your left to make a right turn than from your right to make a left turn.
- in the left lane you don't have to be as worried of someone cutting out on you, like what happened
- don't drive in someones blind spot regardless of which lane you are in
- in the left lane, at intersections, you are kinda protected by any car in the right lane
- in the left lane watch for oncoming cars making a left in front of you, but you should be doing this in either lane anyway.
- watch the tires of the car, they will start moving before the car does
- even after seeing someone looking at you, still assume that they are going to pull out in front of you
- they are out to kill you - always assume the worst
- don't break and turn at the same time
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i just don't know what else to do to help him help himself - like should i be more forceful or what
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by the way - i am in my mid 50s and he appears to be a bit older - if that makes a difference
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what would you do to help him

 

You have gone above and beyond
Drag him to a MSF course
Hinzy

 

Sounds to me like you've been persistent in your efforts to help him gain more confidence in his abilities and become a better rider.

Some people just have to learn the hard way. You've done what you can.

 

qudos to you for giving it your best shot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

 

THATS THE ONLY THING THAT SCRES ME, IS PANIC STOPPING WITH MY BIG APES, I HAVE HEARD HORROR STORIES OF THE BARS JUST BENDING OVER FWD.&nbsp\\; I AM NOT LOOKIGN FOREWARD TO MY FIRST ATTEMPT

 

Tell him to take the MSF BRC (BasicRiderCourse). If he chooses not to, shame on him.

 

You tried man, some people are stupid. He does drive a Honda!

 

+1

 

You did and said all that you can. It's a shame he doesn't listen to you. Like everybody else said, see if you can get him to go to a riders course. Tell him there's alot of single women at the MSC's.

 

hats off to you
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you tried your best he needs to wake up and listen to the good advise you have&nbsp\\;given him
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some guys just dont get it and there is nothing you can do nore than you already have
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safe riding !!