Nyc epa tag
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Road Master
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Nyc epa tag
There was an article in thursday Dec. 11, 2009 NY Daily News about a new city law that motorcycles will have to have a EPA tag on exhaust pipes. This law comes up for a vote in 2 days. Has anyone seen one of these so called tags. A copy of the article is in the general talk section of this forum.
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Cruiser
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From: New York
This link:
http://webdocs.nyccouncil.info/textf...TOKEN=48413082
is to the text of the proposed ordinance.
From what I can tell they are talking about the compliance statement engraved on the muffler it self which on my ultra is located at about one o'clock on the right side muffler and obscured from view by the saddle bag.
http://webdocs.nyccouncil.info/textf...TOKEN=48413082
is to the text of the proposed ordinance.
From what I can tell they are talking about the compliance statement engraved on the muffler it self which on my ultra is located at about one o'clock on the right side muffler and obscured from view by the saddle bag.
Road Warrior
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From: Right Coast
Get used to this kind of treatment. Noise pollution seems a high priority with many a town/city. I can see, in the not too distant future where ALL major cities and perhaps States will have anti-noise legislation aka "anti-biker" laws. They will use EPA regs as the tool to break us.
I don't know what the answer is but I've got to think that motorcyclists and motorcycle parts manufacturers need a strong lobbyist. Harley isn't helping in this regard. The lobbyists we have so far don't seem to have the power needed to "have our backs".
Look around, do you see any segment of the government doing anything to support or protect the motorcyclist?
I don't know what the answer is but I've got to think that motorcyclists and motorcycle parts manufacturers need a strong lobbyist. Harley isn't helping in this regard. The lobbyists we have so far don't seem to have the power needed to "have our backs".
Look around, do you see any segment of the government doing anything to support or protect the motorcyclist?
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From: Hico, TX (once home to Billy the Kid)
Even Street Rodders have an action group and a legislative action group to help them:
http://www.semasan.com/main/main.asp...ANcom/HomePage
and
http://www.bipac.net/page.asp?content=startpage&g=sema
If bikers want to keep their freedoms, they better act soon.
http://www.semasan.com/main/main.asp...ANcom/HomePage
and
http://www.bipac.net/page.asp?content=startpage&g=sema
If bikers want to keep their freedoms, they better act soon.
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Road Master
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First off I'm glad to be living in Tennessee, but on the other hand we have an Air Force base, A Beechcraft museum, and large number of private plane owners around here who love flying their planes as much as we like riding our bikes. I like the sound of a radial engine as much as anybody but has anybody ever checked the sound levels of a radial engine plane flying low over your house all damn day? How about five or six flying in formation? It would seem to me that the noise levels of the lowly biker are more of a nuisance than unescapable roar of Dr Pap-smear's seaplane coming off the lake.
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This link:
http://webdocs.nyccouncil.info/textf...TOKEN=48413082
is to the text of the proposed ordinance.
From what I can tell they are talking about the compliance statement engraved on the muffler it self which on my ultra is located at about one o'clock on the right side muffler and obscured from view by the saddle bag.
http://webdocs.nyccouncil.info/textf...TOKEN=48413082
is to the text of the proposed ordinance.
From what I can tell they are talking about the compliance statement engraved on the muffler it self which on my ultra is located at about one o'clock on the right side muffler and obscured from view by the saddle bag.
Sounds to me they're worried about "straight pipes" which are pipes that have no baffle. or pipes that have a baffle but are designed for racing.
The question is, are the aftermarket "stage 1" pipes that most of us have considered EPA approved. I'm sure the stock harley pipes are ok. Actually, I'm not sure, just assume they're ok.
I wouldn't mind riding the east coast sometime, and NYC would be a natural stop. This is quite a blow actually, buy a new bike from a harley dealer, then have it taken away as if you're an outlaw.
Road Warrior
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From: Mt. Airy, MD
Sounds to me they're worried about "straight pipes" which are pipes that have no baffle. or pipes that have a baffle but are designed for racing.
The question is, are the aftermarket "stage 1" pipes that most of us have considered EPA approved. I'm sure the stock harley pipes are ok. Actually, I'm not sure, just assume they're ok.
I wouldn't mind riding the east coast sometime, and NYC would be a natural stop. This is quite a blow actually, buy a new bike from a harley dealer, then have it taken away as if you're an outlaw.
The question is, are the aftermarket "stage 1" pipes that most of us have considered EPA approved. I'm sure the stock harley pipes are ok. Actually, I'm not sure, just assume they're ok.
I wouldn't mind riding the east coast sometime, and NYC would be a natural stop. This is quite a blow actually, buy a new bike from a harley dealer, then have it taken away as if you're an outlaw.
stock pipes have the EPA stamping. I have never seen a set of aftermarket pipes that have the stamp, so most (if not all) are illegal for street use as of 1987 or so. It's just never been enforced. The way NYC worded this ordinance, the bike doesn't even have to be running. if a metermaid checks the pipes and they are missing the EPA stamping, then its a fine and/or impoundment of the bike.
It's my understanding that this ordinance has been tabled for now, but could get resurrected very easily if they decide they want to tackle it.
We don't have a legal leg to stand on as I see it, but I keep wondering about the custom builders (like Indian Larry Legacy in NYC and others) that use custom pipes on their bikes. Hell, even the EPA will allow an individual one non-compliant bike per lifetime... what about THOSE bikes? If a bike is federal EPA exempt, how does NYC get away with this kind of measure?