Why all the noise?
When I was a kid, the cops in the city all rode Harley's. The Good Humor man rode a Harley Servicar (sp?). These were cool. Can't look at any other motorcycle the same way, not Indian, not S&S, not Victory.
Curt
"Curt Miller is the president of the Adirondack Mountain Club, a 30,000-member nonprofit organization dedicated to the protection and responsible recreational use of the New York State Forest Preserve, parks, wild lands, and waters. ADK employs a balanced approach to outdoor recreation, advocacy, environmental education, and natural resource conservation."
Certainly nothing wrong with being concernec about our environment but be upfront about your intentions...
Every sentence in your text is a contradiction to each other. Personal choice of noise level is exactly the same as the personal choice of a paint color. If you dont think purple doesnt hurt, come to my neighborhood where they would slap a law suit on you in a heart beat and you might even get beat up. AND, they have a right but bikers dont? That doesnt even make sense. Most folks who dont care for loud noises just find it annoying just like most folks in my neighborhood find an ugly purple house annoying
If you insist on suggesting that loud bikes hurt people, then you need to take in consideration that loud bikes also save lives. There is a major city in California, of all places, where the police are putting louder pipes on their Harleys to make their riders safer. That is a fact, not my feelings or outcry of emotion.
Most of your justifications one way or the other are just and expression of your feelings. That you are fighting so hard to justify those feelings as being right points to other problems. Just say it, I dont like loud bikes. Thats the way I feel and Im sticking to it. And leave it at that. If you really beleive what you say, your first post would stand alone. But look, over a hundred and something post and you are still making silly justifications.
Really, you need to ask yourself why is this so important that it has driven you to obsessivily try and make everyone agree with you. Youve got a problem my friend and the first step toward fixing your problem is admitting it.
Hey have a good week riding you bike.
Beary
Do you pass by a stranded rider, or do you stop? Even if that stranded rider is a dum azz hillbilly HD rider and smells of motor oil?
If you stop, I want to welcome you to HDForums.
If you EVER drove past a rider................. push on, OK?
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If you insist on suggesting that loud bikes hurt people, then you need to take in consideration that loud bikes also save lives. There is a major city in California, of all places, where the police are putting louder pipes on their Harleys to make their riders safer. That is a fact, not my feelings or outcry of emotion.
Most of your justifications one way or the other are just and expression of your feelings. That you are fighting so hard to justify those feelings as being right points to other problems. Just say it, I dont like loud bikes. Thats the way I feel and Im sticking to it. And leave it at that. If you really beleive what you say, your first post would stand alone. But look, over a hundred and something post and you are still making silly justifications.
Really, you need to ask yourself why is this so important that it has driven you to obsessivily try and make everyone agree with you. Youve got a problem my friend and the first step toward fixing your problem is admitting it.
Hey have a good week riding you bike.
Beary
You have problems and are in need of professional help..... Please seek some for your own good!!
Read the posts you have written, look in the mirror, and make some changes to the way you interact with people
Best wishes and ride safe!
I keep coming back to the point I started with: the noise is too much and why do people do it. This is not the same as what color you paint your house. I have neighbors from South America. I came home one day three years ago and they had spray-painted their house purple...yes, bright purple. I don't much like it, but it is their right and they are hurting no one. Loud pipes do hurt people...and even if you think they don't, they can out lobby you to enact laws to keep you from abusing what they feel are their rights to quiet enjoyment.
I am now delighting in my new stock pipes. They are so sweet, so mellow...and offend no one.
Take your rights very seriously. If you overstep, you risk the possibility of losing them. I even saw the president's message in a recent HOG magazine where he spoke to this very issue and urged us all to take the pipes thing very seriously. I'm not alone.
Curt
Wow, the arrogance.
I'm respectful of other people, but if I'm doing what I think is right, I really don't care what other people think, or if I offend them. Matter of fact, if you're not offending *SOMEONE* then you probably aren't DOING ANYTHING, or at least not anything right.
Our society is too caught up w/ this political correct BS and has way too many wacko extremist fabricating information to manipulate public opinion and politicians into coming up w/ and going along w/ more BS laws and policies than I ever thought possible.
Man, America was built on FREEDOM and there's a big difference between annoying people and hurting people. You know, that freedom allows you to your opinion, even if it makes you a jack@ss, and allows me to my opinion, even if that makes me a jack@ss, but if you think for a minute that you aren't offending anyone, you sir are sadly mistaken.
And I'm not talking about offending anyone here, the mere fact you own any personal property, let alone a handful of motorcycles, is offensive to many. The fact you work for a living and feel entitled to keep ANY of your earnings is offensive to many. The fact you live in America is offensive to many. There are people out there, in our own country that would like to see us all dead, and there are many more that would like to take one or more of your personal freedoms away, including your motorcycles.
If I were you, I'd be a little slower to pass judgment on others who like and appreciate something you don't like, especially as it relates to motorcycles, because w/ or w/out loud pipes, they'll be coming after your bike soon enough, if all of us don't stand up to stop them.
Don't believe me? There will always be some group, maybe even one you're currently a part of, that will find ways to gradually limit, if not remove, your right to own and/or operate those bikes, even those BMWs, whether it's for your own safety, the safety of others, the gas you use, the speed they're capable of, the color of them, the color of you, the smell they make, the materials they're made of, just name a reason, someone out there hates you too, not me, but someone.
For every finger you point, there's at least three pointing back at you, unless you were the victim of a tragic machine shop accident, in which case, my condolences.
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Anyway, I took a two lane road home that night, to see how well my newly adjusted lights worked (headlight, spots, and newly added HD fog lights), and boy those fog lights (and properly aimed headlight) lit up the sides of the road a lot better and I saw a lot of deer I wouldn't have seen before. As I could see them, they were looking at me, assumably because they could hear me and stopped what they were doing. A little roll on the throttle w/ clutch pulled in, and they promptly scampered off. I think if they were a little louder they might have taken off w/out the throttle roll. I think deer and other animals are unpredictable in general, no guarantees on that one, but after seeing your comment did remind me of this recent personal story.
To each his own. I like loud pipes on a Harley. When I was younger, every vehicle I owned had headers and ... um ... increased performance capabilities.
I've worked in the oil field and the chemical industry for over 30 years, around some LOUD processes, and the first 10 or so years, earplugs were "optional". To sum it up, I like race cars, guns, and LOUD Harleys! So when you talk to me, look at me! If you don't, I can't "SEE" what you're saying!!!
Oh, and +1 on the animals. Deer, hogs, javelina, etc, tend to run the other way!
Ride safe!



I'm just messing with ya cause you're an arrogant jackhole. I just ordered a quiet pipe for mine, I'm getting tired of the noise too.