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Old Apr 8, 2009 | 03:41 PM
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Miller you have posted 26 times in this thread, you're a bag of wind here...move on!
 
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Old Apr 8, 2009 | 03:45 PM
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My association with an environmental group has nothing to do with how my ears hurt from the noise. Noise abatement is not part of our agenda. I happily ride my motorcycles - including my Harley - to most of our events. Some of those folks look at me like I'm from outer space. A previous president also rode a full-dress Harley. Some of us just like bikes. I happen to love both BMW AND Harley-Davidson, am able to afford them and I ride responsibly. I have the right to own and ride whatever I want to ride, and these are them. Can't wait to get hold of an XR1200!!!

When I was a kid, the cops in the city all rode Harley's. The Good Humor man rode a Harley Servicar (sp?). These were cool. Can't look at any other motorcycle the same way, not Indian, not S&S, not Victory.

Curt

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Here is Curt's profile on his blog, http://curt-mobile.blogspot.com/ and this is his profile;

"Curt Miller is the president of the Adirondack Mountain Club, a 30,000-member nonprofit organization dedicated to the protection and responsible recreational use of the New York State Forest Preserve, parks, wild lands, and waters. ADK employs a balanced approach to outdoor recreation, advocacy, environmental education, and natural resource conservation."

Certainly nothing wrong with being concernec about our environment but be upfront about your intentions...
 
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Old Apr 8, 2009 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by hcmiller92
I keep coming back to the point I started with: the noise is too much and why do people do it. This is not the same as what color you paint your house. I have neighbors from South America. I came home one day three years ago and they had spray-painted their house purple...yes, bright purple. I don't much like it, but it is their right and they are hurting no one. Loud pipes do hurt people...and even if you think they don't, they can out lobby you to enact laws to keep you from abusing what they feel are their rights to quiet enjoyment.Curt

Every sentence in your text is a contradiction to each other. Personal choice of noise level is exactly the same as the personal choice of a paint color. If you don’t think purple doesn’t hurt, come to my neighborhood where they would slap a law suit on you in a heart beat and you might even get beat up. AND, they have a right but bikers don’t? That doesn’t even make sense. Most folks who don’t care for loud noises just find it annoying just like most folks in my neighborhood find an ugly purple house annoying

If you insist on suggesting that loud bikes hurt people, then you need to take in consideration that loud bikes also save lives. There is a major city in California, of all places, where the police are putting louder pipes on their Harleys to make their riders safer. That is a fact, not my feelings or outcry of emotion.

Most of your justifications one way or the other are just and expression of your feelings. That you are fighting so hard to justify those feelings as being right points to other problems. Just say it, “I don’t like loud bikes. That’s the way I feel and I’m sticking to it”. And leave it at that. If you really beleive what you say, your first post would stand alone. But look, over a hundred and something post and you are still making silly justifications.

Really, you need to ask yourself why is this so important that it has driven you to obsessivily try and make everyone agree with you. You’ve got a problem my friend and the first step toward fixing your problem is admitting it.

Hey have a good week riding you bike.

Beary
 
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Old Apr 8, 2009 | 04:08 PM
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Here's a question for you.

Do you pass by a stranded rider, or do you stop? Even if that stranded rider is a dum azz hillbilly HD rider and smells of motor oil?

If you stop, I want to welcome you to HDForums.

If you EVER drove past a rider................. push on, OK?
 

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Old Apr 8, 2009 | 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by beary
Every sentence in your text is a contradiction to each other. Personal choice of noise level is exactly the same as the personal choice of a paint color. If you don’t think purple doesn’t hurt, come to my neighborhood where they would slap a law suit on you in a heart beat and you might even get beat up. AND, they have a right but bikers don’t? That doesn’t even make sense. Most folks who don’t care for loud noises just find it annoying just like most folks in my neighborhood find an ugly purple house annoying

If you insist on suggesting that loud bikes hurt people, then you need to take in consideration that loud bikes also save lives. There is a major city in California, of all places, where the police are putting louder pipes on their Harleys to make their riders safer. That is a fact, not my feelings or outcry of emotion.

Most of your justifications one way or the other are just and expression of your feelings. That you are fighting so hard to justify those feelings as being right points to other problems. Just say it, “I don’t like loud bikes. That’s the way I feel and I’m sticking to it”. And leave it at that. If you really beleive what you say, your first post would stand alone. But look, over a hundred and something post and you are still making silly justifications.

Really, you need to ask yourself why is this so important that it has driven you to obsessivily try and make everyone agree with you. You’ve got a problem my friend and the first step toward fixing your problem is admitting it.

Hey have a good week riding you bike.

Beary
+1 on this ... h miller you are a legend in your own mind and NO ONE else's
You have problems and are in need of professional help..... Please seek some for your own good!!
Read the posts you have written, look in the mirror, and make some changes to the way you interact with people
Best wishes and ride safe!
 
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Old Apr 8, 2009 | 04:30 PM
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I'm just messing with ya cause you're an arrogant jackhole. I just ordered a quiet pipe for mine, I'm getting tired of the noise too.
 
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Old Apr 8, 2009 | 04:43 PM
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bought mine new with stock pipes, within 10,000 miles I had more animals run out in front of me than I can count. now with over 29,000 and the rolled thunder pipes I have not seen one animal in my path. may not mean anything but I beleve it helped. and cagers seem to turn their heads sooner. just my 2 cent's
 
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Old Apr 8, 2009 | 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by hcmiller92
Ya know, that attitude is gonna cost us all. NH is looking at banning all but stock pipes. That doesn't bode well for H-D or any of the others and it certainly doesn't bode well for Laconia. Remember that you live in a society and many in that society don't ride bikes and don't agree with your take on the noise being ok, subjective as that reality might seem.

I keep coming back to the point I started with: the noise is too much and why do people do it. This is not the same as what color you paint your house. I have neighbors from South America. I came home one day three years ago and they had spray-painted their house purple...yes, bright purple. I don't much like it, but it is their right and they are hurting no one. Loud pipes do hurt people...and even if you think they don't, they can out lobby you to enact laws to keep you from abusing what they feel are their rights to quiet enjoyment.

I am now delighting in my new stock pipes. They are so sweet, so mellow...and offend no one.

Take your rights very seriously. If you overstep, you risk the possibility of losing them. I even saw the president's message in a recent HOG magazine where he spoke to this very issue and urged us all to take the pipes thing very seriously. I'm not alone.

Curt
So you think you're not offending anyone, and this is somehow a sign that you are right compared to others that disagree with you?

Wow, the arrogance.

I'm respectful of other people, but if I'm doing what I think is right, I really don't care what other people think, or if I offend them. Matter of fact, if you're not offending *SOMEONE* then you probably aren't DOING ANYTHING, or at least not anything right.

Our society is too caught up w/ this political correct BS and has way too many wacko extremist fabricating information to manipulate public opinion and politicians into coming up w/ and going along w/ more BS laws and policies than I ever thought possible.

Man, America was built on FREEDOM and there's a big difference between annoying people and hurting people. You know, that freedom allows you to your opinion, even if it makes you a jack@ss, and allows me to my opinion, even if that makes me a jack@ss, but if you think for a minute that you aren't offending anyone, you sir are sadly mistaken.

And I'm not talking about offending anyone here, the mere fact you own any personal property, let alone a handful of motorcycles, is offensive to many. The fact you work for a living and feel entitled to keep ANY of your earnings is offensive to many. The fact you live in America is offensive to many. There are people out there, in our own country that would like to see us all dead, and there are many more that would like to take one or more of your personal freedoms away, including your motorcycles.

If I were you, I'd be a little slower to pass judgment on others who like and appreciate something you don't like, especially as it relates to motorcycles, because w/ or w/out loud pipes, they'll be coming after your bike soon enough, if all of us don't stand up to stop them.

Don't believe me? There will always be some group, maybe even one you're currently a part of, that will find ways to gradually limit, if not remove, your right to own and/or operate those bikes, even those BMWs, whether it's for your own safety, the safety of others, the gas you use, the speed they're capable of, the color of them, the color of you, the smell they make, the materials they're made of, just name a reason, someone out there hates you too, not me, but someone.

For every finger you point, there's at least three pointing back at you, unless you were the victim of a tragic machine shop accident, in which case, my condolences.
 
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Old Apr 8, 2009 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by HDSAE60
bought mine new with stock pipes, within 10,000 miles I had more animals run out in front of me than I can count. now with over 29,000 and the rolled thunder pipes I have not seen one animal in my path. may not mean anything but I beleve it helped. and cagers seem to turn their heads sooner. just my 2 cent's
You know, I only have some screaming eagle slip-ons. When riding for a couple hundred miles on Sunday, my buddy who has several Harleys and a couple metrics, was riding his Honda VTX, I didn't think his bike was too loud but I could hear it. We swapped bikes for awhile, I noticed my bike was not as loud as his, when riding next to it, but still has a nice low rumble.

Anyway, I took a two lane road home that night, to see how well my newly adjusted lights worked (headlight, spots, and newly added HD fog lights), and boy those fog lights (and properly aimed headlight) lit up the sides of the road a lot better and I saw a lot of deer I wouldn't have seen before. As I could see them, they were looking at me, assumably because they could hear me and stopped what they were doing. A little roll on the throttle w/ clutch pulled in, and they promptly scampered off. I think if they were a little louder they might have taken off w/out the throttle roll. I think deer and other animals are unpredictable in general, no guarantees on that one, but after seeing your comment did remind me of this recent personal story.
 
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Old Apr 8, 2009 | 06:13 PM
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I like louder pipes. What I have isn't loud enough right now. If you like stock, fine. If you like a little something more, Screaming Eagle slip ons.

To each his own. I like loud pipes on a Harley. When I was younger, every vehicle I owned had headers and ... um ... increased performance capabilities.

I've worked in the oil field and the chemical industry for over 30 years, around some LOUD processes, and the first 10 or so years, earplugs were "optional". To sum it up, I like race cars, guns, and LOUD Harleys! So when you talk to me, look at me! If you don't, I can't "SEE" what you're saying!!!

Oh, and +1 on the animals. Deer, hogs, javelina, etc, tend to run the other way!

Ride safe!
 
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