I am Rhonda's husband, Allyn and I would like to give my results of my mods that I am dissappointed with. I first did the FuelMoto power package with screaming eagle air cleaner,dynotuned Jackpots and premapped PCV. The bike ran perfect and I was pleased with this mod. But as many of you know, I too wanted a little more performance and a cooler running engine so I decided on a cam-only change. I installed Headquarters HQ-TC-525-TC cams. The bike ran fine but I really couldn't feel any big change in performance. I figured I needed a custom map so I let Jason Clement at Ray Price HD dynotune with custom map. My bike only made 74.31 hp&84.05tq.Jason is the same tuner that got 88hp&93tq from 06 ultra 88" with same air cleaner ,PCIII ,tru-duels and 0034 Headquarters cams and stock heads in the testimonials on Headquarters website. I e-mailed Kevin at HQ and he said I should get another tuner and said I should get 90hp&95tq. My bike runs fine and has afr at 13.5 and has great throttle response. Not sure what I'll do next but custom tunes aren't cheap. I was just expecting a little more. Jason told me all the stage1 with 255 cams made above 90tq. Just wanted to hear from others out there!

 

sounds like you're disappointed. sorry to hear that. putting the numbers aside for a moment, do you like the way it runs? does it have plenty of the kind of power you wanted? you're the one who needs to be happy with it. and i'd think that your gut would tell you, rather than some abstract numbers, whether you're happy with it or not. i know, everyone would love to have 110 hp and 130 torque. although i wouldn't. it would surely be tempermental, hard on tires, hard on you to ride it, and would need lots more gas. i have an 08 sg, 96", se air cleaner, stage one download, rinehart slip ons, and all the required harley accesory chrome stuff, along with a pcv, pre canned to my accesories. it runs great. if i knew the numbers i might be a bit disappointed, and i'm planning on doing perhaps a 103 next winter with cams and maybe some headwork. but if i have any sense, i'll leave it the way it is now, cause it's not tempermental, isn't hard on tires or use a lot of gas, and it's a blast to ride. i can ride at 90 or above anytime, providing the LEO's are chasing donuts. best of luck to you, and i hope you find the recipie that works for you. most times all it takes is one ingredient to be wrong and it screws up the whole thing.

 

1. What the guy got from the 88 with HQ-0034 cams, Rinehart TD's etc. is credible since that's what I get in my '04 with the same eqipment, so he's not inflating his results and the dyno seems to be normal, IMO.

2. I am not familiar with the details of the PCV, but there are limitations with its predecessor PC's, particularly with ignition timing. Whether the tuner was familiar with the PCV or not may be a contributor to your relatively low numbers, also.

3. Have you asked Jamie at Fuelmoto for a map for the cams you now have?

4. Kevin isn't going to BS you about what those cams will do when installed correctly and tuned properly.

5. Ride the bike and keep track of your mileage for a couple of tank fulls of gas. Chances are it's probably running very rich and your mileage will be in the mid-30's suggesting that the tune isn't what it should be.

Hang in there; it'll get sorted out.

 

Good advice in the post above. Headquarters reputation is beyond reproach and their packages deliver. I'd investigate the mapping issue and go from there.

 

Change the head gasket to a .030 MLS to up CR a bit, or get some head work done and a good tune. Would wake it up.

 

What limitations might that be with the PCIII? It is programmable ą20° in 225 places in the RPM/TP grid, so how much programmability do you need? IIRC the PCV has even more range and programs in 250 places in the grid. I've never seen a map where more than 4° of change was required, and can't imagine a scenario that would require much more than that.

Neither the PCV nor its programability in the ignition-advance tables are his problem given a good tune. As we all well know that is the big variable with any aftermarket tuner except the PCV Auto-Tune, which tunes itself.

I agree, and also suggest calling Jamie. He doesn't have maps for every cam set ever made, so that might be a problem, but he may have one that's close. Auto-Tune would fix his problem, but that's another $300.

 

I would expect much more with that setup and think Kevin at HQ is giving you realistic numbers to look for. The map you will need for the cam upgrade will not be similar to the one you had for the stock cams, so I'm not surprised the bike didn't show radical improvement without a map update. OTOH there should've been moderate improvement, enough to notice IMO. With a stock setup and the FM Power Package you should see near 78HP and 94TQ based on Jamie's dyno charts--lower if humidity and other factors aren't just right, but your numbers should be higher than they are now even with stock cams.

I think you're a good candidate for an Auto-Tune module, and I would discuss this possibility with Jamie at FM. It costs $300, cheaper than a dyno tune, and if you use Jamie's Target AFR's I can guarantee you an improvement assuming the cams were installed properly and you don't have a problem somewhere else. BTW, I wouldn't consider AFR of 13.5 at WOT to be a bit lean of ideal, and would rather see 12.8-13.2 for best performance, as this is conventional wisdom. Jamie uses 13.0 in his maps.

Not to inject the improbable into the equation, but one tooth off for the cam/crank chain on the cam install would make a big difference in performance. There is the possibility the timing on the cam is off due to an improper install, but I would think that would be a long-shot. A bad grind on one or both cams would be another long-shot, although not unprecedented.

What is your tuner's explanation of the low dyno numbers? Did he install the cams? Did you do anything else during that upgrade (CR increase, porting, etc.)? If he installed the cams and did the tuning I would think he would hold responsibility for making sure the numbers were reasonable, which they clearly aren't IMO.

BTW that cam set and most others will likely adversely affect low-end performance in a stock engine with 9.2:1 CR. The only cam set I know of that will not is the SE255 with its ultra-early intake close.

 

Hey Allyn,
While I hear your disappointment I tend to side emwold who asked if you like how it runs? I remember when I tore into my 05 88, did the 95 upgrade, cams, minor headwork and used the Thundermax Auto Tune. Put it on the Dyno just to get the numbers and thats when I gt disappointed, because truth was it ran like a scalded dog and would pull the wheel off the ground in 1st and 2nd. But I never could get past my expectations with the numbers. Listen to Carl and Iclick, they know from whence they speak...Good Luck to you!

 

When i was shopping around for a tuner and dyno guy everyone that i talked to said PC tuners are trash , i dont really know if that helps you or hurts you but im just saying what i was told