Progressive fork cartridges..
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Road Captain
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Progressive fork cartridges..
Has anyone tried the new cartridge kits that progressive is offering ?
http://www.progressivesuspension.com...ube/index.html
http://www.progressivesuspension.com...ube/index.html
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No, but Works Performance will be releasing a similar thing in two weeks. They're going to install a set in my bike next week as a test. If that goes well we'll install a set in Greg Benner's bike as well. The big difference between Works and Progressive is that Works can be installed without disassembling the forks. The cartridges slide in and sit on top of the original damper tubes. Pretty ingenious design. They are also using a dual rate spring system like their shocks. I'll report back how they work out.
Here is the blurb they sent me:
DROP-IN FORK CARTRIDGES WITH DUAL-RATE FORK SPRINGS
Works new fork cartridges with dual-rate springs are the cure for mushy forks and vague handling. These self-contained damper units (much like gas shocks) are designed to be used in conjunction with the stock damper rods. Simply pull the fork caps and old springs and drop in the entire assembly. They are adjustable for anti-dive, rate-transition and spring preload. The kits can be set up for stock ride height or lowered (except some FXR and Sportster models). Kits for Sportster, FXR, Dyna, Softail and Road King. Rebuildable. Made entirely in the USA. Suggested retail: $369.00 per pair.
Marc
Here is the blurb they sent me:
DROP-IN FORK CARTRIDGES WITH DUAL-RATE FORK SPRINGS
Works new fork cartridges with dual-rate springs are the cure for mushy forks and vague handling. These self-contained damper units (much like gas shocks) are designed to be used in conjunction with the stock damper rods. Simply pull the fork caps and old springs and drop in the entire assembly. They are adjustable for anti-dive, rate-transition and spring preload. The kits can be set up for stock ride height or lowered (except some FXR and Sportster models). Kits for Sportster, FXR, Dyna, Softail and Road King. Rebuildable. Made entirely in the USA. Suggested retail: $369.00 per pair.
Marc
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No, but Works Performance will be releasing a similar thing in two weeks. They're going to install a set in my bike next week as a test. If that goes well we'll install a set in Greg Benner's bike as well. The big difference between Works and Progressive is that Works can be installed without disassembling the forks. The cartridges slide in and sit on top of the original damper tubes. Pretty ingenious design. They are also using a dual rate spring system like their shocks. I'll report back how they work out.
Here is the blurb they sent me:
DROP-IN FORK CARTRIDGES WITH DUAL-RATE FORK SPRINGS
Works new fork cartridges with dual-rate springs are the cure for mushy forks and vague handling. These self-contained damper units (much like gas shocks) are designed to be used in conjunction with the stock damper rods. Simply pull the fork caps and old springs and drop in the entire assembly. They are adjustable for anti-dive, rate-transition and spring preload. The kits can be set up for stock ride height or lowered (except some FXR and Sportster models). Kits for Sportster, FXR, Dyna, Softail and Road King. Rebuildable. Made entirely in the USA. Suggested retail: $369.00 per pair.
Marc
Here is the blurb they sent me:
DROP-IN FORK CARTRIDGES WITH DUAL-RATE FORK SPRINGS
Works new fork cartridges with dual-rate springs are the cure for mushy forks and vague handling. These self-contained damper units (much like gas shocks) are designed to be used in conjunction with the stock damper rods. Simply pull the fork caps and old springs and drop in the entire assembly. They are adjustable for anti-dive, rate-transition and spring preload. The kits can be set up for stock ride height or lowered (except some FXR and Sportster models). Kits for Sportster, FXR, Dyna, Softail and Road King. Rebuildable. Made entirely in the USA. Suggested retail: $369.00 per pair.
Marc
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Good Deal?
I have never used any of the two above. I do know what is inside of a "for real set up" and you can never build a for real cartridge system using prison labor in China for that price. You will undoubtedly get what you pay for. Just like all suspension, those who compare a progressive anything and say it satisfies them, has absolutely no experience in anything else. Works, they are just OK but positively not world class.
If anyone wishes to dispute this statement, I am around usually 7 days a week so bring down your bike and we put 5) 2"X4"'s five feet apart. 40 MPH and the women behind you will tell you what the difference is in suspension. I have mine, you bring yours.
In all fairness I have never ridden or have seen the two offerings but you just can not build a set for that money at the front door much less 45% off for dealers mark-up or more from Drag Specialties (Parts Unlimited). The next thing is where are you going to rebuild them once they wear out (everything wears out)?
If anyone wishes to dispute this statement, I am around usually 7 days a week so bring down your bike and we put 5) 2"X4"'s five feet apart. 40 MPH and the women behind you will tell you what the difference is in suspension. I have mine, you bring yours.
In all fairness I have never ridden or have seen the two offerings but you just can not build a set for that money at the front door much less 45% off for dealers mark-up or more from Drag Specialties (Parts Unlimited). The next thing is where are you going to rebuild them once they wear out (everything wears out)?
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I have never used any of the two above. I do know what is inside of a "for real set up" and you can never build a for real cartridge system using prison labor in China for that price. You will undoubtedly get what you pay for. Just like all suspension, those who compare a progressive anything and say it satisfies them, has absolutely no experience in anything else. Works, they are just OK but positively not world class.
If anyone wishes to dispute this statement, I am around usually 7 days a week so bring down your bike and we put 5) 2"X4"'s five feet apart. 40 MPH and the women behind you will tell you what the difference is in suspension. I have mine, you bring yours.
In all fairness I have never ridden or have seen the two offerings but you just can not build a set for that money at the front door much less 45% off for dealers mark-up or more from Drag Specialties (Parts Unlimited). The next thing is where are you going to rebuild them once they wear out (everything wears out)?
If anyone wishes to dispute this statement, I am around usually 7 days a week so bring down your bike and we put 5) 2"X4"'s five feet apart. 40 MPH and the women behind you will tell you what the difference is in suspension. I have mine, you bring yours.
In all fairness I have never ridden or have seen the two offerings but you just can not build a set for that money at the front door much less 45% off for dealers mark-up or more from Drag Specialties (Parts Unlimited). The next thing is where are you going to rebuild them once they wear out (everything wears out)?
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I have trouble beleiveing that anyone who reccomends a progressive rate spring is fair dinkum about performance of their gear. While they may be better than stock (that wouldnt be too hard now would it), I doubt they are the pinnacle of performance.
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Howard, When is the Ohlins kit going to be available ? I'm getting older everyday. I'd do it right now, if you had them ready. My shocks are great, my forks suck, STILL.( Race-tech kit with 1" lowered progressive springs and thicker fluid.) Hate them, more all the time...
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Sorry to go off subject of the OP. We need to make the fork caps which will be done right after the caliper mounts for the Ohlins. Machine time is backed up and hope to get it done. The 41 mm is very small and Ohlins does not make the caps. Machining in the compression valving and making them work will be easy but in order to make it work I need to buy 10 or sets of new take-off 2010 sliders (they fit all 41 mm fork tubes) because of machine set up time. No one does externally adjustable compression and spring pre-load