Discriminatory?
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[QUOTE=newdep332;5989991]Its great to have convictions and to stand by them, however; I would recommend having another job lined up before taking this approach.QUOTE]
LOL!......I'm working on my 4th retirement check at the moment. The other 3 are already in the bank...needless to say I don't take much chit from corporate America or spend much time fretting over silly-azzed company policy. I figure I'll either retire or get fired someday, and you know what?- That tude actually makes me worth more to them because I tend to tell it like it is and they tend to listen.
Now if I was 30 and had a wife n kids, and a mortgage and all that going on, I drive what they wanted and keep my head down.
LOL!......I'm working on my 4th retirement check at the moment. The other 3 are already in the bank...needless to say I don't take much chit from corporate America or spend much time fretting over silly-azzed company policy. I figure I'll either retire or get fired someday, and you know what?- That tude actually makes me worth more to them because I tend to tell it like it is and they tend to listen.
Now if I was 30 and had a wife n kids, and a mortgage and all that going on, I drive what they wanted and keep my head down.
Road Master
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Your #2 example happens everyday in the DoD/Military and IMHO for all the right reasons.
You have to attend and pass a base sponsored MSF course before you can ride a bike to work (on base). You just can't show up at the gate.
A license and insurance are not enough.
Even though it's kind of a hassel to go through it's good to know that Everyone on base on a bike has had some form of training...
I know this is nothing like the private sector. Just sayin. Us DoD/Military guys are pretty much used to not having any rights. Just part of the job. No biggie.
lp
You have to attend and pass a base sponsored MSF course before you can ride a bike to work (on base). You just can't show up at the gate.
A license and insurance are not enough.
Even though it's kind of a hassel to go through it's good to know that Everyone on base on a bike has had some form of training...
I know this is nothing like the private sector. Just sayin. Us DoD/Military guys are pretty much used to not having any rights. Just part of the job. No biggie.
lp
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Although you are correct that you must attend a MSF course...you are not required to take it from the base...From the Department of Defense INSTRUCTION NUMBER 6055.04, April 20, 2009 "Accept the completion card of any MSF course or DUSD(I&E)-endorsed course that includes written and riding evaluations as proof of successful completion of the required training"
Most of us met up right outside the gate and strapped on our helmets, vests and whatever their latest decree required. Then we rode off base and did the reverse strip.
Meanwhile our shipmates were getting splattered over in Nam while we were playing the safety game. We would laff tween beers knowing the military was only tring to keep their powder dry cause soon we were going to be loaded in the breach and fired mindlessly against the enemy........
Seems nothing has changed.......
Ride safe Shipmate. They have plans for you. Your goal is to ride the laps and arrive home safe then thumb your nose in their face and suck up the bennies they owe you for surviving those cowards the risks you faced for them............
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Good news is my Union is taking the lead, they said it is crap and discriminatory to ban the usage of a 'Legal' motor vehicle conveyance. Provided you are using the correct safety equipment as decreed by the state they have no leg to stand on, this from the legal beagles at the hall.
They are to approach the company after the holidays on how they determined the Work Comp bias as it does not exist in the rules they have at their disposal to view.
Now as to a insurance level, they tried to do this to s several years ago under a 'insurable' clause to ban any employees use of bikes or pay a exorbitant high rate premium, that too died in conference.
You are all probably correct in that someones mistress, wife or daughter is caught up in the heavenly free and need to ride attitude of a motorcyclist and they want revenge! To that I say ESAD, Too Bad!!!
They are to approach the company after the holidays on how they determined the Work Comp bias as it does not exist in the rules they have at their disposal to view.
Now as to a insurance level, they tried to do this to s several years ago under a 'insurable' clause to ban any employees use of bikes or pay a exorbitant high rate premium, that too died in conference.
You are all probably correct in that someones mistress, wife or daughter is caught up in the heavenly free and need to ride attitude of a motorcyclist and they want revenge! To that I say ESAD, Too Bad!!!
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Good news is my Union is taking the lead, they said it is crap and discriminatory to ban the usage of a 'Legal' motor vehicle conveyance. Provided you are using the correct safety equipment as decreed by the state they have no leg to stand on, this from the legal beagles at the hall.
They are to approach the company after the holidays on how they determined the Work Comp bias as it does not exist in the rules they have at their disposal to view.
Now as to a insurance level, they tried to do this to s several years ago under a 'insurable' clause to ban any employees use of bikes or pay a exorbitant high rate premium, that too died in conference.
You are all probably correct in that someones mistress, wife or daughter is caught up in the heavenly free and need to ride attitude of a motorcyclist and they want revenge! To that I say ESAD, Too Bad!!!
They are to approach the company after the holidays on how they determined the Work Comp bias as it does not exist in the rules they have at their disposal to view.
Now as to a insurance level, they tried to do this to s several years ago under a 'insurable' clause to ban any employees use of bikes or pay a exorbitant high rate premium, that too died in conference.
You are all probably correct in that someones mistress, wife or daughter is caught up in the heavenly free and need to ride attitude of a motorcyclist and they want revenge! To that I say ESAD, Too Bad!!!
I predict that the same liberals who fought and won smoking bans in our cities will also soon win the heavily debated Public Funded Heath Insurance incentive presently before our Administration. Once they win same, they will quickly determine that motorcycles and guns and bullets are hazardous to your health and then apply constraints to each......but that's just me and that's the way I think.
I've been around long enuff to remember a few old classic songs...One that comes to mind now is "This ain't what the Government." If you ain't never heard it, it's time you lived it.
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If you were a member of the military, they say that you must wear helmets and reflective vests when riding even off base or the life insurance they provide you with is void.
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Many years ago when I was in the AF, some young airman was riding his bike and got in a little accident. If I remember, he ended up with a broken ankle. Wasn't wearing his brain bucket. They sent him downtown for his healthcare and he ended up with a really larg bill. In all honesty I think the local commanders used that poor kid to make an example of him. I know...what does wearing a helmet have to do with a broken ankle.....nothing. But when you are in the military...you are military property and they own your ***. They can and will dictate what you do. Right or wrong. Plenty of military members who ride. As for private business, I am sure their policies are dictated from behind the scenes by their insurer.
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Many years ago when I was in the AF, some young airman was riding his bike and got in a little accident. If I remember, he ended up with a broken ankle. Wasn't wearing his brain bucket. They sent him downtown for his healthcare and he ended up with a really larg bill. In all honesty I think the local commanders used that poor kid to make an example of him. I know...what does wearing a helmet have to do with a broken ankle.....nothing. But when you are in the military...you are military property and they own your ***. They can and will dictate what you do. Right or wrong. Plenty of military members who ride. As for private business, I am sure their policies are dictated from behind the scenes by their insurer.
Road Master
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Probably driven by the company's worker's comp carrier.
If you are traveling from one worksite to another for the employer's benefit of convenience, then you are covered in many (most?) states by Worker's Comp.
Matt
If you are traveling from one worksite to another for the employer's benefit of convenience, then you are covered in many (most?) states by Worker's Comp.
Matt
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If you were a member of the military, they say that you must wear helmets and reflective vests when riding even off base or the life insurance they provide you with is void.
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Many years ago when I was in the AF, some young airman was riding his bike and got in a little accident. If I remember, he ended up with a broken ankle. Wasn't wearing his brain bucket. They sent him downtown for his healthcare and he ended up with a really larg bill. In all honesty I think the local commanders used that poor kid to make an example of him. I know...what does wearing a helmet have to do with a broken ankle.....nothing. But when you are in the military...you are military property and they own your ***. They can and will dictate what you do. Right or wrong. Plenty of military members who ride. As for private business, I am sure their policies are dictated from behind the scenes by their insurer.
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Many years ago when I was in the AF, some young airman was riding his bike and got in a little accident. If I remember, he ended up with a broken ankle. Wasn't wearing his brain bucket. They sent him downtown for his healthcare and he ended up with a really larg bill. In all honesty I think the local commanders used that poor kid to make an example of him. I know...what does wearing a helmet have to do with a broken ankle.....nothing. But when you are in the military...you are military property and they own your ***. They can and will dictate what you do. Right or wrong. Plenty of military members who ride. As for private business, I am sure their policies are dictated from behind the scenes by their insurer.
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Although you are correct that you must attend a MSF course...you are not required to take it from the base...From the Department of Defense INSTRUCTION NUMBER 6055.04, April 20, 2009 "Accept the completion card of any MSF course or DUSD(I&E)-endorsed course that includes written and riding evaluations as proof of successful completion of the required training"
In Charleston, they only recognize the "Experianced" MSF course and not the Basic even though both require written and riding evaluations...
My words "Base Sponsored", I only meant that the base recognizes it or offers it. Should have said "Base Recognized".
As far as Instruction, here it's either. They conduct a base offered MSF Course OR they recognize the "Experianced" MSF course offered at the local college....but not the Basic.
Only good for three years too... guess we forget how to ride every 1094 days.
Point was you have to do something. Riding on base is not a right but a privilege - like everything else in the Military/DoD right.
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Its great to have convictions and to stand by them, however; I would recommend having another job lined up before taking this approach.
Besides working in L.E I also own a Consulting Co. and if I were to make a Co. policy and you were to rub it in my face, as you say... there would be no need to even get off the bike.
My Co. I put the time, money and risk involved to maintain it then I get to make the rules. And I have no doubt if it was your Co. you would feel the same way.
With that being said if my employees decide they don't want to drive one of my vehicle's for what ever reason I don't mind as long as it continues to be professional and show the Co. in a good light.
As far as what to drive off duty, I don't care but I do believe that a business CAN tell their employees what they can drive IF it is a condition of their employment.
At the Sheriffs Dept where I work part time we have MANY regs. that dictate what we can and can not do off duty. If we don't like it your free to leave.
Just the way it is.
To the OP I do hope it works out for you as my employees and I really enjoy getting to ride a little during the day while at work. Good Luck!!
Besides working in L.E I also own a Consulting Co. and if I were to make a Co. policy and you were to rub it in my face, as you say... there would be no need to even get off the bike.
My Co. I put the time, money and risk involved to maintain it then I get to make the rules. And I have no doubt if it was your Co. you would feel the same way.
With that being said if my employees decide they don't want to drive one of my vehicle's for what ever reason I don't mind as long as it continues to be professional and show the Co. in a good light.
As far as what to drive off duty, I don't care but I do believe that a business CAN tell their employees what they can drive IF it is a condition of their employment.
At the Sheriffs Dept where I work part time we have MANY regs. that dictate what we can and can not do off duty. If we don't like it your free to leave.
Just the way it is.
To the OP I do hope it works out for you as my employees and I really enjoy getting to ride a little during the day while at work. Good Luck!!
Yeah... Why let this little thing called the Constitution get in the way....