Another HD Cam Labor question?
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Another HD Cam Labor question?
I have looked at a few posts of getting cam work done but I have another question to add to the bunch. My local HD dealer wants about 1700.00 otd for adding a new cam (woods 7h or 8-6), cam bearing, james gasket kit, quick install pushrods, kit(valve springs), gasket for cam cover + saying 10 hours of labor (includes dyno time). They are also getting a valve job done along with Head Decking from sub contractor. These last two costs are about (162.50+78.00). Also, are they missing something that should also be included or added to this list?
I keep seeing about 4 hours for cam install plus dyno time (what is reasonable for dyno time?) Even with 3 hours of dyno, that only adds up to 7 hours. Would 3 more be due to heads and such? Seems like a lot! Dawg, if your listening(reading), what are your thoughts?
Parts costs seem reasonable but I'm a bit concerned on the labor hours involved. Is this overkill or are they making a decent deal?
cam bearing: 5.91 0924-0107
James Gasket kit 62.01 0934-1597
Quick install pushrods: 124.91 17997-99a
kit, valve springs: 127.46 18013-03a
Woods Cam (7h/or 8-6) 351.00
Labor 10 hours at 67.50/hour (675.00)...Includes dyno time. + Tax....
Sublet machine work: valve job 162.50
Head Decking 78.00
I keep seeing about 4 hours for cam install plus dyno time (what is reasonable for dyno time?) Even with 3 hours of dyno, that only adds up to 7 hours. Would 3 more be due to heads and such? Seems like a lot! Dawg, if your listening(reading), what are your thoughts?
Parts costs seem reasonable but I'm a bit concerned on the labor hours involved. Is this overkill or are they making a decent deal?
cam bearing: 5.91 0924-0107
James Gasket kit 62.01 0934-1597
Quick install pushrods: 124.91 17997-99a
kit, valve springs: 127.46 18013-03a
Woods Cam (7h/or 8-6) 351.00
Labor 10 hours at 67.50/hour (675.00)...Includes dyno time. + Tax....
Sublet machine work: valve job 162.50
Head Decking 78.00
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I have looked at a few posts of getting cam work done but I have another question to add to the bunch. My local HD dealer wants about 1700.00 otd for adding a new cam (woods 7h or 8-6), cam bearing, james gasket kit, quick install pushrods, kit(valve springs), gasket for cam cover + saying 10 hours of labor (includes dyno time). They are also getting a valve job done along with Head Decking from sub contractor. These last two costs are about (162.50+78.00). Also, are they missing something that should also be included or added to this list?
I keep seeing about 4 hours for cam install plus dyno time (what is reasonable for dyno time?) Even with 3 hours of dyno, that only adds up to 7 hours. Would 3 more be due to heads and such? Seems like a lot! Dawg, if your listening(reading), what are your thoughts?
Parts costs seem reasonable but I'm a bit concerned on the labor hours involved. Is this overkill or are they making a decent deal?
cam bearing: 5.91 0924-0107
James Gasket kit 62.01 0934-1597
Quick install pushrods: 124.91 17997-99a
kit, valve springs: 127.46 18013-03a
Woods Cam (7h/or 8-6) 351.00
Labor 10 hours at 67.50/hour (675.00)...Includes dyno time. + Tax....
Sublet machine work: valve job 162.50
Head Decking 78.00
I keep seeing about 4 hours for cam install plus dyno time (what is reasonable for dyno time?) Even with 3 hours of dyno, that only adds up to 7 hours. Would 3 more be due to heads and such? Seems like a lot! Dawg, if your listening(reading), what are your thoughts?
Parts costs seem reasonable but I'm a bit concerned on the labor hours involved. Is this overkill or are they making a decent deal?
cam bearing: 5.91 0924-0107
James Gasket kit 62.01 0934-1597
Quick install pushrods: 124.91 17997-99a
kit, valve springs: 127.46 18013-03a
Woods Cam (7h/or 8-6) 351.00
Labor 10 hours at 67.50/hour (675.00)...Includes dyno time. + Tax....
Sublet machine work: valve job 162.50
Head Decking 78.00
Last edited by dawg; Jan 13, 2010 at 12:06 AM.
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First, don't go with the 0924-0107 Sonnax bearing. Get Timken/Torrington B168's even if you have to buy them and bring them in to them. Second, I don't know if you are trying to save cash or not, but instead of the 17997-99A pushrods I would get the 18404-08 tapered pushrods, just slightly more in cost. The added labor must be what they consider for the valves/springs and whatnot. What size head gasket is coming in that James' gasket kit? James' are good gaskets, but Cometic makes a decent kit for about the same price. I would ask how much of that labor is considered dyno time also.
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James Gasket head size.
I just looked up the part number on James Gasket site and this is what it says :
0934-1597 FITS: 05-09 Twin Cam 95"/96" models, STYLE: .036" head gaskets $72.95
0934-1597 FITS: 05-09 Twin Cam 95"/96" models, STYLE: .036" head gaskets $72.95
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Didn't see any lifters listed in the parts breakdown.
Also, unless the dyno tuner has specific experience with your build, I'd want a minium of 3 hours dyno time to assure a complete tune, not just a tune for WOT and a dyno sheet.
Good luck with your project.
Also, unless the dyno tuner has specific experience with your build, I'd want a minium of 3 hours dyno time to assure a complete tune, not just a tune for WOT and a dyno sheet.
Good luck with your project.
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I agree. No lifters plus I don't see a new oil pump or cam plate. I'm not sure these are all necessary but they seem to popup in other cam installs and I want to make sure what's done is done right.
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Stock pump and plate on the 96's will be fine for your build. Two schools of thought on the lifters, one changes when doing a cam change no matter what and others only change if the mileage is in a higher range like 20-30k.
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That's what I was beginning to think as well since I haven't seen this on other posts. Dawg, what about that sonnax bearing. I was reading on another post here that it is really the torrington bearing anyway.