103 diaster
Road Master
Joined: May 2008
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From: Madison, WI
+1...so that is $11K from me. Sorry BadPiggy, ebay habit.
Now let's get some more info here. There is a boatload of folks that will chime in with 2-3 cents worth on a fix.
Now let's get some more info here. There is a boatload of folks that will chime in with 2-3 cents worth on a fix.
Road Master
Joined: Nov 2006
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From: Winston Salen, NC
watched the video of your bike. sounds unreal , bet it really barks up around 4 grand. noticed the indented windshield, what kind is it and does it help the wind buffeting around your ears, my ultra is killing my ears. my 2003 classic didnt have the ear slap like my 2009 does.
Yeh, it ain't no 120 but it runs real strong.
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Joined: Apr 2006
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From: DFW
It's hard to believe even one of the marginal HD dealers could screw this one up. The Stage II Big Bore upgrade isn't rocket science, and even the canned map for this upgrade should give you a significant bump in peformance, particularly torque. You may have a little different idle, but shouldn't be significant. It shouldn't matter much if at all that you have OEM pipes. Fact is that you should have a bike that performs better than your stock 96" bike, again even without a formal tune. How do I know? I rode a stage II 103" before my HQ 107. I bought it new that way and it was never formally tuned. It was a great deal faster than a stock 96". Something is wrong with the upgrade. Call the GM at the dealership if you don't trust the mechanics there, but for christs sake that ought to be one of the easiest jobs one of those guys got that day.
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From: Northeast Ohio
Given that he stated "new cams" and 103 upgrade, it's "more than likely" a Stage 2 HD kit with 255 cams ~ in which case it should at least run "decent", somewhat better than stock.
A couple quick things to check things to look at on this one.
1) As has been mentioned - TUNE.... The tune will make or BREAK a build.
2) Assembly. Things like intake leak (impossible to tune), oil pump alignment / installation (can cause sumping).
3) Was it "tuned" or did they just throw some random HD flash into the computer?
First off ~ it sounds like your dealer is of marginal competence, based solely on the fact that they would deliver the bike in such a condtition. I would strongly consider finding someone ELSE to "fix it".
You DO NOT need S/E heads!!!!! Let me repeat that. YOU DO NOT NEED S/E HEADS!
The cams in that package are NOT designed to work with those heads. **Unless** they used the wrong cam in the first place.
DANGER Will Robinson.... Find someone with a clue... do not have $10/hr monkeys experimenting on your scoot!
A couple quick things to check things to look at on this one.
1) As has been mentioned - TUNE.... The tune will make or BREAK a build.
2) Assembly. Things like intake leak (impossible to tune), oil pump alignment / installation (can cause sumping).
3) Was it "tuned" or did they just throw some random HD flash into the computer?
First off ~ it sounds like your dealer is of marginal competence, based solely on the fact that they would deliver the bike in such a condtition. I would strongly consider finding someone ELSE to "fix it".
You DO NOT need S/E heads!!!!! Let me repeat that. YOU DO NOT NEED S/E HEADS!
The cams in that package are NOT designed to work with those heads. **Unless** they used the wrong cam in the first place.
DANGER Will Robinson.... Find someone with a clue... do not have $10/hr monkeys experimenting on your scoot!
I have got to agree, a competent dealer/builder will not turn over a bike that is not running right. And the problems could be any of those that Phil listed.A 103 alone won't make much difference in performance, but it should not make it run worse. I couldn't blame the mufflers, as even with stockers installed it should still run better than a stock TC96. Hard to tell with so little info, as we need to know if it was a full Stage II or just a 103, what tuner or ECM download is being used (if any), etc.
When I changed to the 50MM Throttle body, and SE Injectors mine opened up. I went from 89 HP to 103. My TQ line is almost identical at 109 though. The stock injectors were at 90-95% load before I changed them out. Same place did the before and after tunes, so evidently it was starved for fuel and air.
Cruiser
Joined: Apr 2008
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I have seen several 255 cam builds from independent shops that had the CAM off one tooth. There was a batch of 255 cams that had a double marks on them for alignment, if it is aligned to the wrong one the bike will be down on TQ and power. The only other thing I have seen on a couple of bikes is "sumping" and this was caused by a pinched "o" ring. Sumping will knock the HP/TQ in the dirt as well. Sumping is easy to check. I would mention some of this to the dealer and they should want to rectify this situation.
Supporter
Joined: Sep 2006
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From: San Ramon, Ca
I have got to agree, a competent dealer/builder will not turn over a bike that is not running right. And the problems could be any of those that Phil listed.Exactly, and actually, the stock exhaust is not all that bad. Yes, a good aftermarket exhaust is better but I know of a couple of very big inch builds running the stock headpipes with just slipons.
Tell us how you really feel...
For a mild 103 build, the stock injectors and throttle body are just fine. For the posters problems, it is not these, it is either the build itself or the tune, or maybe both.
I love that paint job !!!!
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From: Green Country Oklahoma
103 Should have made a hell of difference in power.Mine is 07 with 103 but a friend of mine has a 2009 and have hell of time getting his 103 to perform HD shop blamed on his pipes so he bought what they recommended changed head pipe and so on but still a mess. May be 2009 have some thing going on with it every year goes by bikes are getting more complicated .