103 diaster
Road Master
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From: Winston Salen, NC
Although I think this is a fake post to begin with, it seems like everyone always blames the Dealer. Yes I think some of them don't have a clue. But it is also your responsability to do the research up front and then choose the right person to do the build if you are not doing it yourself. I knew nothing about this stuff when I have done my builds but I came on here and learned. I asked the right questions and then compared notes to decide if the builder knew what he was talking about. HD shop built mine but I chose the mechanic based on my evaluation of him. Which was based on my research on here. Anyone who just turns their bike over is as much to blame as the builder if not more.
Just sayin.... Not all HD mechanics are worthless. Mine was great...
Just sayin.... Not all HD mechanics are worthless. Mine was great...
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From: Baton Rouge, LA
There's just not enough info here to know what's causing the problem. To repeat some of what PhilM said, it could be one or more of the following:
1. Poor state of tune (most probable)
2. Sumping due to poor re-assembly. This is possible only from a careless worker.
3. Mis-aligned cams (too stupid a mistake to be probable).
If you don't have a tuner already, find the best tuner in your area and ask what he prefers, then buy it. Or, buy a PCV from Fuel Moto which will have a proper map installed, and that's your least expensive alternative from among the top-tier tuners.
I can't believe they would install a Stage 2 in a bike without a Stage 2 download at minimum, if I'm interpreting your setup correctly. I would recommend that you go back to the dealer and get a list of everything they did to the bike, and I'm looking for any reference to a tuner, dyno-tune, and/or Stage II download.
Last edited by iclick; Feb 19, 2010 at 04:27 PM.
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From: Niagara Falls Canada
monkish post
funny you posted right after I did, yours was the post with dyno's I was thinking of ,and was hoping I could find your post again for details. I even saved your posted build sheet with all the parts you listed.
What did you use to pull out you old cam bearings. dealey HD canada wants 500 bucks for the puller installation tool, i wont be buying that to install my 20 dollar bearings. going to an automotive store to look at blind hole pullers tonight. will probably make a plate at work with larger holes to bolt to engine casing then will thread 2 holes to push the bearing in place with bearing insert I made. anyone have info on how to get tthe bearing out and back in with out the 500 buck harley tool
What did you use to pull out you old cam bearings. dealey HD canada wants 500 bucks for the puller installation tool, i wont be buying that to install my 20 dollar bearings. going to an automotive store to look at blind hole pullers tonight. will probably make a plate at work with larger holes to bolt to engine casing then will thread 2 holes to push the bearing in place with bearing insert I made. anyone have info on how to get tthe bearing out and back in with out the 500 buck harley tool
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Cruiser
Joined: May 2009
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From: Oregon
Several of you are right I dont know whats going on.....thats the point. like an *** I rode down a road that I really knew nothing .....did not do my homework and now I am left holding the bag.....my experience is only sport bikes and one metric cruiser, done many miles on bikes but no real modification other than pipe changes and power commanders....all sport bikes I have had were dyno'd as part of tuner. ....my understanding or lack of is why I am bothering you all.
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103/se255
I'm with the minority here, something smells fishy. BB/w255 work well together. I would find it hard to believe any dealer would bolt a 103 together without at least a flash. If owner is limited on cash solid pushrods are acceptable. If HD BB head gaskets are used compression would be acceptable, 9.3 or so, could be better. I don't know? Personally I believe this guy is Posing and full of ****. That is just my opinion and non negotiable.
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From: Winston Salen, NC
funny you posted right after I did, yours was the post with dyno's I was thinking of ,and was hoping I could find your post again for details. I even saved your posted build sheet with all the parts you listed.
What did you use to pull out you old cam bearings. dealey HD canada wants 500 bucks for the puller installation tool, i wont be buying that to install my 20 dollar bearings. going to an automotive store to look at blind hole pullers tonight. will probably make a plate at work with larger holes to bolt to engine casing then will thread 2 holes to push the bearing in place with bearing insert I made. anyone have info on how to get tthe bearing out and back in with out the 500 buck harley tool
What did you use to pull out you old cam bearings. dealey HD canada wants 500 bucks for the puller installation tool, i wont be buying that to install my 20 dollar bearings. going to an automotive store to look at blind hole pullers tonight. will probably make a plate at work with larger holes to bolt to engine casing then will thread 2 holes to push the bearing in place with bearing insert I made. anyone have info on how to get tthe bearing out and back in with out the 500 buck harley tool
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From: Out West
Tooth, part of the thing is with so few posts that you have sometimes folks come on a forum and troll with negativity just to be, whatever.
And with your lack of specifics on your bikes recent work it just adds some fuel to that notion, incorrect as it may be.
So then, if your bike had the 'ole HD 103"/255's build with a complimenting exhaust change/upgrade and it was working properly you should have seen a noticeable improvement in hp/tq, especially once it gets broke in.
If you didn't change the exhaust with the other noted changes then you got some stuff filled pipes that can't evacuate the increased exhaust gases as well as they need to be spit out.
I wonder though if you had the tuner changed and it isn't set right for the engine. I wouldn't be suprised if that has something to do with it.
Do you have a copy of your bill listing all the parts changed/installed? How's about telling us what's on the bill so we can chase this rabbit further down the hole.
Here's one thing to remember, even if everything on a 103" build works perfectly it ain't gonna be no Busa killer, but it will pull you and the Mrs. around in comfort with little effort.
Good luck.
And with your lack of specifics on your bikes recent work it just adds some fuel to that notion, incorrect as it may be.
So then, if your bike had the 'ole HD 103"/255's build with a complimenting exhaust change/upgrade and it was working properly you should have seen a noticeable improvement in hp/tq, especially once it gets broke in.
If you didn't change the exhaust with the other noted changes then you got some stuff filled pipes that can't evacuate the increased exhaust gases as well as they need to be spit out.
I wonder though if you had the tuner changed and it isn't set right for the engine. I wouldn't be suprised if that has something to do with it.
Do you have a copy of your bill listing all the parts changed/installed? How's about telling us what's on the bill so we can chase this rabbit further down the hole.
Here's one thing to remember, even if everything on a 103" build works perfectly it ain't gonna be no Busa killer, but it will pull you and the Mrs. around in comfort with little effort.
Good luck.
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From: Boise Idaho
Phil M is correct
255 cam....HD out of box mod....no tuner chip mod....no dyno....no pushrod check or change. I do not have unrealistic expectations but I do feel bike is "flat" between 2500 and 3000K .....an it runs rougher when under torque at that RPM....I dont want a high performance bike I want a touring bike to put alot of miles on and tell the world to KMA on......thanks all
255 cam....HD out of box mod....no tuner chip mod....no dyno....no pushrod check or change. I do not have unrealistic expectations but I do feel bike is "flat" between 2500 and 3000K .....an it runs rougher when under torque at that RPM....I dont want a high performance bike I want a touring bike to put alot of miles on and tell the world to KMA on......thanks all
It's like buying a new toilet and not hooking up the water and then complaining it doesn't work right.
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Personally I believe the poster, I read some of his other post. He kinda reminds me of my stepson, somebody tells him he needs something and he goes at it with blinders on. I'm not saying that this mentality is a problem, it's just not for me. Obiously he has more money than me and he'll get this worked out. If it were me, I would find out what kind, if any, download the dealership did, call Fuel Moto and tell them what I had (doesn't even sound like he has a high flow air cleaner) and have them send me a PCV for my set up, install it and put my knees in the wind.