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Old Jun 16, 2010 | 06:15 PM
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Mine does both from time to time, it always does it when the engine is cold. The fast idle (way over what it should be) will happen for 4-5 blocks sometimes and the slow idle occurs for about 10 miles and has died a few times at stop lights.
My bike does have a Race Tuner and I have taken it back in to the dealer after the last tune and what ever they did didn't improve a thing.
 
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Old Jun 16, 2010 | 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Woodchuck
I received the memo below from HD dated November 2006. It wasn't a recall but it was in response to many early complaints of drive train hammering (rocks in a can) especially in sixth. I had that ECM enhancement download done at 1200 miles. That and or swapping to synthetic oil solved the noise problem for me. I never installed IDS and feel I don't need it. (Straight gear meshing in fifth is music to my ears. )
The '06 flash didn't affect my rocks-in-a-can problems and I bought IDS as soon as it came out. It provided a huge improvement and no more complaints, along with a much smoother drivetrain. The 5th-gear noises are still there but hardly noticeable anymore. I attribute this in major part to IDS and the Redline SPH gear oil I've been running.

Last winter, the dealership did another ECM reflash to address the idle issues. They said it was an update that came out after the one I had done in April of '07.
I guess I'll drop by the HD shop tomorrow and ask about it.

The engine at times not coming off cruising rpm can be disconcerting to say the least when I let up on the throttle and expect engine braking and instead it keeps on trucking as I enter a corner. It's very weird and I never expected the rpm to stay down around 1000 the first time a tried lugging the engine but it does. I don't think it has been caused by too much air either caused by IAC or and air leak because it happens so infrequently.
So the high-idle is still there after the last re-flash? That isn't encouraging. My bike was on the Digital Technician in Sept. '08 IIRC to activate the security system I added, but I don't know if they did a re-flash at that time. I would tend to doubt it since I didn't ask for it and they didn't say anything.
 
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Old Jun 16, 2010 | 11:31 PM
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Just had my ECM reflashed today. The original stage 1 download was wiped out. It would have cost me an additional $200 to add it back in. I've got the PCV w/autotune. I brought the bike home, connected my laptop, made sure my mixture was good at idle where I have the autotune disabled and took the bike out for a road test. It seems to be fixed. I'll take 150 mile ride tomorrow with a variety of hwy and in town riding. I'll post my results tomorrow. Btw, the flash only cost me $45.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2010 | 06:36 AM
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Looking back through the whole thread, seems like a very common problem. All the bikes have the exact same symptoms. Not every bike is going to have the same mechanical issues with IAC's ,Temp sensors etc., I'm new to this whole EFI thing. The rides in the past have been carburated, but IMHO sounds like it has to be the ECM programing. If the reflash works out, it would be worth the $45 ! The slow idle and stalling is just an irritation, but not having the engine come off the higher rpm's when you need it too could be dangerous! I'll be watching and reading also!!
 
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Old Jun 17, 2010 | 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by jag1886
Mine does both from time to time, it always does it when the engine is cold. The fast idle (way over what it should be) will happen for 4-5 blocks sometimes....
I haven't found that riding the bike gets rid of the fast-idle once it starts, and only the turn-off procedure I mentioned does it. But your cold high-idle problem is otherwise exactly like mine. I wish someone who has this issue would report a magic-bullet fix, as I'm not confident of the re-flash based on one report given here. I will clean the IAC soon with penetrant-lubricant spray (not WD40) using the kill switch to cycle the motor and see if that helps.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2010 | 02:09 PM
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I have a 2008 Street Glide with only 6,000 miles that has the same high idle issue you have, I called the HD dealer and he told me how to reset the ECM by turning the ignition switch to on and off "very" slowly five times and on the sixth turn, start the bike. This does reset my idle but unfortunatley, it doesn't stay. After highway ride, it returns to high idle.
Good Luck!
 
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Old Jun 17, 2010 | 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Scottj
I have a 2008 Street Glide with only 6,000 miles that has the same high idle issue you have, I called the HD dealer and he told me how to reset the ECM by turning the ignition switch to on and off "very" slowly five times and on the sixth turn, start the bike. This does reset my idle but unfortunatley, it doesn't stay. After highway ride, it returns to high idle.
Good Luck!
The high-idle of '08s is a different affliction because those bikes have TBW and the ECU configuration is very different. The '07 uses cables and there is apparently no self-fix using techniques like you mention. I wish there were.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2010 | 04:12 PM
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First I want to say that I have read most of this thred and I am not "bashing" anyone or anything so if I go over ground that has been covered I apologize.

The stepper motor is controlled by a table called IAC Warmup Steps and is influenced by the Vehicle Speed Sensor. If the hot idle stepper count is not between 30 and 45 and the values in this software table are not close, when you come to a stop the IAC stepper motor drives to the software value first and then tries to get to the programmed idle speed. So if the stepper motor drives to a software value of 20 for example but in reality your bike idles at 45 steps then the stepper motor over drives and then has to catch itself back to 45. While it is catching itself the bike will not idle quite right or feel like it is stumbling. Most Harley dealers will say you do not need to adjust the throttle stop, but if the hot idle stepper count is way off then there is a limit to where you can program the software. For example I had a 2003 FFUltra bike in a couple of weeks ago and the idle was pretty irratic, the hot idle stepper count was at 65. You can not adjust the software that high as it has limits, so it was always stumbling and searching. This bike had pretty high mileage and the stop had never been adjusted. All those miles of banging the throttle stop had made the throttle blade more closed which means the stepper motor has to be more open to idle. I adjusted the stepper counts with the throttle stop screw and watching the stepper counts in my software program. Once I was at say around 35-40 counts, I put all of the backing plate and assembly back together. Restarted the bike and it would idle stable and when I would decel down on the dyno it would idle at 1050rpm or so until the VSS was at zero then the stepper motor would take over and the idle would drop to the programmed idle speed of 1000rpm. The stepper motor will not work until the VSS(Vehicle Speed Sensor) is at zero and this is when the stepper motor takes over to idle the bike at 1000rpm or some say closed loop idle control. All of the Delphi cable bikes have this same table and adjustment. In 2007 Harley decided to make the throttle stop adjustment a special 5-point security bit which is kind of hard to find.

The only way to fix this is to get into the ECU and adjust the IAC software table and adjust the throttle blade so they are within a reasonable range of each other. Meaning hot idle live stepper count is (30-45)close to the programmed stepper count. The only way to do this would be Digital Tech and the Harley dealers around here will not do it or say you do not need to do it. There are aftermarket diagnostic software programs like Daytona Twin Tec Twin Scan 2 or Technoresearch VDSTS that would allow the adjustment of the throttle stop but you would not know exactly what the programmed software IAC values are in the ECU. The other option is to use any of the tuning software packages like TTS, Direct Link, SERT or SEST as they all have this IAC software table and they all have diagnostic capability to read the strepper counts so they can be adjusted. This would allow the software and IAC to be closely matched.

All of this assumes you do have an intake that is not leaking which if it is the stepper counts will be very low or at zero.

If you are running a piggy back fuel controller you have no way of knowing what the hot idle IAC reading is live and you have no way of knowing what the programmed value is in the ECU.

This system also works for cold start, all Harleys will idle up on startup and going to 1500-1800 on first start is not a bad thing. Go start any modern efi automobile and see what it does. This stepper motor now controls engine rpm versus heat so a bike that is operating correctly on first start will flare to say 1600rpm then idle down to 1300, then 1200, and once the motor has some heat in it say around 180-200F the idle will be at 1000rpm or the programmed idle rpm. This is assuming that the bike has the correct fuel at idle too lean and it may not idle correctly and too rich and it will "blubber". Another table involved with first cold start is Warmup Enrichment which will add fuel until a certain temp or time is reached. The colder the bike more fuel is added and the warmer the bike less fuel is added.

DBW bikes do not have a stepper motor so they use throttle balde control for closed loop idle. There is still a software table that can be adjusted to match Step counts both software and real time. It is a little confusing but it does do the same thing only does not have a stepper motor. Most DBW bikes when hot will show a real IAC count of 45-50 and it is pretty stable.

Hope this helps some?
 
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Old Jun 17, 2010 | 05:55 PM
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Amazing!!! I have been having this problem on and off for months. Today was the worst. I was on 95 south through Baltimore, I pulled the clutch and the bike stalled at 65mph. It had been stalling consitantly for two days but today it seemed that everytime I stopped to idle it would stall. So I log onto this site after almost a year, do a search for stall and low and behold the first thread is "07 Idle Issues".
Thanks for posting the service bulletin.
My questions>
1. I don’t have a warranty on my bike anymore and have already spent a fortune on repairs this year. The fix described in TT410, is that something I should take to HD to fix or something I can do myself without making the situation worst.
2. Does a “Power Commander” affect how the Induction Module performs?

After reading the last post I feel strongly that I am out of my league on this issue.
 

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Old Jun 18, 2010 | 09:49 AM
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The bike idles!!!! Replaced a hose that was 90% separated. The hose was one of two found between the air intake and the induction module. They connect directly to the engine. I rode it hard this morning and although the idle is low it didn't stall. I tried to track down the actual names for the hoses and component they both attach to between the air intake and the induction module but had no luck.
 
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